MWil23 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Jerry Rice and it's not even close. I'd love to see how ridiculous his stats would be (even moreso than they already are) if he played today, in an era where defenses can't even touch a wide receiver and rules favor the offense more than ever before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 16 hours ago, lancerman said: Rice is probably the best WR of all time, but you give TO or Moss the same QB's Rice played with and give him his longevity... The longevity IS the reason Rice is the GOAT. The guy was putting up 1,000 seasons at an age where most greats have a yellow jacket that's 2-3 years old. Longevity such as that is an anomaly - being able to thrive at WR when you're near your 40s is a freak-like attribute that you can't transfer over to another player. In the same vein, I can ask you how dominant Rice would have been if he had Moss' down field speed, or Owens' strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malak1 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 I think it’s Tom Brady and it isn’t close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cddolphin Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 4 minutes ago, EliteTexan80 said: The longevity IS the reason Rice is the GOAT. The guy was putting up 1,000 seasons at an age where most greats have a yellow jacket that's 2-3 years old. Longevity such as that is an anomaly - being able to thrive at WR when you're near your 40s is a freak-like attribute that you can't transfer over to another player. In the same vein, I can ask you how dominant Rice would have been if he had Moss' down field speed, or Owens' strength. Hard to compare across positions but adding context helps. Rice produced in an era where defenses were able to do a lot more to counter him. He had 1,200+ yards at age 40. He averaged 14.3 YPC at age 42. Rice had Walsh for 4 seasons. Brady had Belichick 18 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Rider Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 As a Pats fan I am very bias on this. To me it’s very easily Brady and for the simple reason that he gives you the best chance to win. There is no other player I would ever want with the football on his hand when the game is on the line. Stats are great but I want championships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheesehawk Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Anyone saying "Tom Brady easily, its not close" are either weighing the importance of the QB position or did not see any of these other guys play. LT was as much of a game changer to his team as TB is to the Patriots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 40 minutes ago, packerrfan74 said: Anyone saying "Tom Brady easily, its not close" are either weighing the importance of the QB position or did not see any of these other guys play. LT was as much of a game changer to his team as TB is to the Patriots. LT was a game changer and probably the most significant and impactful defensive player ever. However, the Giants with LT had 4 losing seasons and one .500 season and only won 8 playoff games with LT. He isn't as much of a game changer to his team than a QB. Like I said you can either go by how far were they ahead of every other player at their position and transcendent impact or how much of a difference maker they were in terms of winning. Because the Patriots without Brady aren't winning 5 Super Bowls, going to 7, 11 AFCCG's, 25 playoff wins, and zero losing seasons if you put LT in there and take Brady off for whoever the best Pats back up at the time was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvert28 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 4 hours ago, EliteTexan80 said: The longevity IS the reason Rice is the GOAT. The guy was putting up 1,000 seasons at an age where most greats have a yellow jacket that's 2-3 years old. Longevity such as that is an anomaly - being able to thrive at WR when you're near your 40s is a freak-like attribute that you can't transfer over to another player. In the same vein, I can ask you how dominant Rice would have been if he had Moss' down field speed, or Owens' strength. Not to mention, if you gave Moss and TO Rice's work ethic off the field, his attitude on the field, film study habits, dedication to perfecting route running, team leader habits, yea they would have been as great as Rice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvert28 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 4 hours ago, malak1 said: I think it’s Tom Brady and it isn’t close. LOL @ this entire post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvert28 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 32 minutes ago, lancerman said: LT was a game changer and probably the most significant and impactful defensive player ever. However, the Giants with LT had 4 losing seasons and one .500 season and only won 8 playoff games with LT. He isn't as much of a game changer to his team than a QB. Like I said you can either go by how far were they ahead of every other player at their position and transcendent impact or how much of a difference maker they were in terms of winning. Because the Patriots without Brady aren't winning 5 Super Bowls, going to 7, 11 AFCCG's, 25 playoff wins, and zero losing seasons if you put LT in there and take Brady off for whoever the best Pats back up at the time was. What do the playoffs matter? I thought the regular season only counted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malak1 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 2 hours ago, Calvert28 said: LOL @ this entire post. True. As long as we can all agree that Emmitt Smith is nowhere near the top of the list, I’m good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuralBill Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 I actually have to change my vote from Barry to Jerry Rice. Rice just has so much more seperation among his contemporaries and was much more dominant in the playoffs. Shout out to Lawrence Taylor and Jim Brown who are candidates, but never got to see play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 40 minutes ago, RuralBill said: Shout out to Lawrence Taylor and Jim Brown who are candidates, but never got to see play LT is such an interesting name in this, because he's the one name you can look at and legitimately wonder if he could have been better. His on field performance was legendary, but LT was widely known as a hard party guy, who would drink way too much (along with other substances) nights before games and still go our and dominate. I remember hearing one story - it was 45 minutes before kickoff and nobody on the Giants had seen or heard from Taylor all day. Coaches frantically send a few equipment managers to the hotel to find LT...and they find him in his hotel, passed out in a pile of his own vomit, with several tequila bottles and escorts all over the room. They throw him in a car and start to suit him up while they head back to the stadium, forcing coffee and Listerine down throat to wake him up. He gets to the field right before kickoff, still drunk and reeking of puke and coffee and...goes out and has a four sack day. I'd imagine this isn't the only LT story out there, but the guy was dominant while drunk. Imagine if he was sober. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dome Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 5 hours ago, EliteTexan80 said: I'd imagine this isn't the only LT story out there, but the guy was dominant while drunk. Imagine if he was sober. If he was dominant while drunk, he'd probably die if he played sober. Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iamcanadian Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 On 12/5/2017 at 9:55 AM, MWil23 said: Jerry Rice and it's not even close. I'd love to see how ridiculous his stats would be (even moreso than they already are) if he played today, in an era where defenses can't even touch a wide receiver and rules favor the offense more than ever before. I just wonder how good his stats would be if he hadn't played with 2 HoF QB's, in an era where teams didn't have a clue on how to defend a WCO, that his HC invented??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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