notthatbluestuff Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 Does this division belong to the Niners? Or could the Rams or Hawks shock the nation? (lol Cardinals) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BStanRamFan Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 Belongs to the 49ers. I think Seattle over achieved last season and Smith takes a step back. Rams defense is going to give up 25PPG so unless Stafford/Oline can hold up for an entire season, they'll be looking at 0.500 Cards are bottom 2 team in the league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr A W Niloc Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 San Francisco as #1 may seem like a no-brainer but it's really a curiosity bordering on paradox. They were dead last in draft capital and, sure enough, did little to help their cause there. Their free agency performance was average overall but ahead of the rest of the NFC-West. Despite this, they enter 2023 with the highest rated players in the league, up from 10th entering 2022, after being 2nd in DVOA last year. That is, almost all of their players upgraded their performance in 2022. They were 24th in fewest games lost to injury but, for them, that was a banner year. Arizona (29th) and the Rams (31st) were not so "lucky". Somehow, San Fran has the easiest (5th overall) 2023 win/loss schedule in the division. Seattle (Agg:13th, up from 22nd entering 2022; DVOA:10th; Inj:8th fewest; Ease of W/L Schedule:10th) is a distant but clear second. The Rams and Cards will wait for their schedules to lighten in 2024. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrantikRam Posted July 15, 2023 Share Posted July 15, 2023 7 hours ago, Dr A W Niloc said: San Francisco as #1 may seem like a no-brainer but it's really a curiosity bordering on paradox. They were dead last in draft capital and, sure enough, did little to help their cause there. Their free agency performance was average overall but ahead of the rest of the NFC-West. Despite this, they enter 2023 with the highest rated players in the league, up from 10th entering 2022, after being 2nd in DVOA last year. That is, almost all of their players upgraded their performance in 2022. They were 24th in fewest games lost to injury but, for them, that was a banner year. Arizona (29th) and the Rams (31st) were not so "lucky". Somehow, San Fran has the easiest (5th overall) 2023 win/loss schedule in the division. Seattle (Agg:13th, up from 22nd entering 2022; DVOA:10th; Inj:8th fewest; Ease of W/L Schedule:10th) is a distant but clear second. The Rams and Cards will wait for their schedules to lighten in 2024. Probably goes without saying but outside of the division games, the Niners have the most difficult schedule. They just get the benefit of playing the Seahawks, Rams and Cardinals six times - which at worst is probably 4-2, but I would be on 6-0 again. The only thing IMO that could make this a race is if the Niners return to their "normal" rash of injuries. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CP3MVP Posted July 15, 2023 Share Posted July 15, 2023 (edited) The 49ers a lock. The real question to me is if this core doesn’t ever win a ring will it go down as one of the biggest disappointments in nfl history. A case can be made that they have had the best roster in football since 2019 and have zero rings to show for it. Look at how they were dominating last year with Brock Purdy who is the definition of meh. Edited July 15, 2023 by CP3MVP 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrantikRam Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 22 hours ago, CP3MVP said: The 49ers a lock. The real question to me is if this core doesn’t ever win a ring will it go down as one of the biggest disappointments in nfl history. A case can be made that they have had the best roster in football since 2019 and have zero rings to show for it. Look at how they were dominating last year with Brock Purdy who is the definition of meh. I think they are the inverse of the Chiefs from last year and in some ways, the later Brady led Patriot teams. Both the Chiefs and Patriots had the best QB in the league and while they definitely had talent in other places, definitely not to the level the NIners do outside of the QB room. I think every playoff loss for them has boiled down to QB play, and you really saw it in the losses to the Chiefs in the Super Bowl and the Rams in the NFCCG when their offense stalled while the other teams offenses came alive on the back of good QB play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetterCallSaul Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 22 hours ago, CP3MVP said: The 49ers a lock. The real question to me is if this core doesn’t ever win a ring will it go down as one of the biggest disappointments in nfl history. A case can be made that they have had the best roster in football since 2019 and have zero rings to show for it. Look at how they were dominating last year with Brock Purdy who is the definition of meh. Their QB is too bad to be considered that big of a letdown. They have had bottom 1/3 QB play during this run. I would expect them to win one soon, but if not, it won’t be that surprising given the gigantic disparity between their QB and whoever comes out of the AFC (probs Mahomes). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Forge Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 5 hours ago, BetterCallSaul said: Their QB is too bad to be considered that big of a letdown. They have had bottom 1/3 QB play during this run. I would expect them to win one soon, but if not, it won’t be that surprising given the gigantic disparity between their QB and whoever comes out of the AFC (probs Mahomes). Agreed. And there are always these type of teams every 5-10 years that we just kind of forget about after a while because they didn't get it done, but every decade has them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 (edited) Bottom 1/3 QB play naw dawg I can't subscribe to that interpretation of the situation. Ok maybe when one mixes in the Hoyers, Beathards, and Mullens' of the world sure. The squad also wasn't that great overall the majority of those games started by those players. Jimmy and Purdy combined weren't/aren't plummeting the team down that far down the starting QB landscape though. It's not like they've been operating like the Jets were last season where QB play was legit burying the team's efforts to try and win any game. Edited July 17, 2023 by TecmoSuperJoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluhartz Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 Niners I would expect Hawks have a great chance if Geno plays like he did last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaguarCrazy2832 Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 Depends on how Purdy is year 2 coming back from injury and now wont surprise anyone since tape is out there. Rams should be better because of health and Seattle with high draft picks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugger Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 On 7/14/2023 at 11:38 AM, Dr A W Niloc said: San Francisco as #1 may seem like a no-brainer but it's really a curiosity bordering on paradox. They were dead last in draft capital and, sure enough, did little to help their cause there. Their free agency performance was average overall but ahead of the rest of the NFC-West. Despite this, they enter 2023 with the highest rated players in the league, up from 10th entering 2022, after being 2nd in DVOA last year. That is, almost all of their players upgraded their performance in 2022. They were 24th in fewest games lost to injury but, for them, that was a banner year. Arizona (29th) and the Rams (31st) were not so "lucky". Somehow, San Fran has the easiest (5th overall) 2023 win/loss schedule in the division. Seattle (Agg:13th, up from 22nd entering 2022; DVOA:10th; Inj:8th fewest; Ease of W/L Schedule:10th) is a distant but clear second. The Rams and Cards will wait for their schedules to lighten in 2024. Perhaps the overwhelming votes for the 49ers in this poll says more about the other 3 teams than SF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr A W Niloc Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 3 hours ago, Pugger said: Perhaps the overwhelming votes for the 49ers in this poll says more about the other 3 teams than SF. Well, San Francisco [or Philadelphia] will be #1 in most overall metrics with no obvious NFC challengers while the Rams and Arizona are bottom two by a number of indicators. For what it's worth, Seattle [and the Chargers] would be favorites in either Southern division and should contend for wild cards. = 2023 PFF QB and Group Rankings, Aggregates, DVOA, Ease of Schedule = Ovl O f f e n s i v e || Defensives || Dfnv | Ofns Rnk Team QB | RB | Rc | OL || DL | LB | DB || Rnk DVOA | Rnk DVOA EoS | | | || | | || | 1st S.F. 12 | 1 | 4 | 18 || 2 | 1 | 9 || 1st 1st | 1st 6th 5th 13 Seat 7 | 12 | 5 | 30 || 30 | 7 | 17 || 21 21st | 10 14th 10 31 Rams 26 | 32 | 14 | 28 || 22 | 32 | 32 || 32 18th | 31 23rd 15 32 Ariz 25 | 31 | 28 | 31 || 32 | 23 | 29 || 31 24th | 32 30th 22 | | | || | | || | 22 T.B. #31 | 30 | 10 | 14 || 25 | 9 | 13 || 15 13th | 26 16th 17 26 N.O. 27 | 15 | 21 | 24 || 29 | 4 | 19 || 19 8th | 27 22nd 1st 27 Atla #29 | 2 | 24 | 7 || 27 | 28 | 23 || 29 30th | 16 13th 2nd 28 Crla r16 | 28 | 31 | 16 || 15 | 16 | 21 || 18 25th | 28 27th 4th | | | || | | || | 19 Indi r32 | 5 | 26 | 10 || 18 | 8 | 31 || 23 14th | 19 32nd 3rd 23 Jkvl 10 | 19 | 16 | 26 || 21 | 18 | 27 || 26 26th | 18 9th 12 29 Tenn 17 | 4 | 30 | 32 || 10 | 29 | 26 || 25 19th | 24 21st 9th 30 Hous r24 | 13 | 32 | 25 || 23 | 26 | 28 || 28 22nd | 30 31st 7th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 49ers if their QB's stay healthy. Seahawks if the above doesn't happen. Cardinals / Rams need absolute miracles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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