2018 Draft Thread I

[the-catch]

4 hours ago, Ronnie's Pinky said:

I love Fitzpatrick as a player, but Adrian Colbert plays the exact same style and position as Minkah. They are almost identical in terms of size and speed (I believe Minkah is one inch taller), and both best suited to the role of single high safety. I'm all for drafting BPA for a young team that is still trying to find its way, but that just seems like a waste. I think the team struck gold with Colbert, and it seems like a terrible move at this point to spend a 1st round pick on a guy who would be looking to take his job. Colbert got praised up and down by the coaching staff and front office for his professionalism, and his play when he came in as a starter last season. What kind of signal would it send to drop a top ten pick on his replacement?

I hope Fitzpatrick gets taken before the 9th pick because I think that out of all the top prospects in the draft, he is probably the single worst "need" fit for the 49ers.

You may be right about that, and I haven't kept up enough w/Colbert/Tartt to have a strong opinion one way or the other, other than whoever we draft we'll find a way to maximize their talents. Even if we have more pressing needs, I wouldn't be too upset if still take a Minkah or to a lesser extent, Ward. Not necessarily my top choice, but not an upsetting choice. 

As far as the bolded, good things were said about Kilgore and sorta tongue in cheek but,

10 hours ago, rudyZ said:

Exactly. Compliments from Kyle seem to be the kiss of death.

[NcFinest9erFan]

15 hours ago, J-ALL-DAY said:

At this point it looks like a lock that four QBs go in the top 8. Sprinkle in a surprise top 8 selection from a team, gives us even better odds of coming away with an elite talent. 

http://walterfootball.com/mocks/publishedmock/65672

Yes its walterfootball but thoughts on moving up to five to get Chubb?

[J-ALL-DAY]

I'll pass giving up both 3rd rounders. 

[oldman9er]

Not a fan of this Walter dude's takes often, but it's a pretty draft site, and worth checking out as another reference. 

For the 2 thirds.. and considering the FA moves.. I wouldn't be angry if this happened. It's not a move I would at all pound the table for.. but I'd appreciate the player we were selecting. 

[JIllg]

13 minutes ago, J-ALL-DAY said:

I'll pass giving up both 3rd rounders. 

Same. Harold Landry plus both third rounders is significantly better for me. The positions that we could really use a young player that could challenge for a starting role/be an eventual replacement for an aging veteran like OG, LB, WR, OT, and CB have really intriguing options and both those picks are nearly as valuable as our pick in the late second.

[J-ALL-DAY]

The move would be fine if you consider Chubb to be a better pass rusher than Landry. Personally? I'm not sure he is. 

[JIllg]

7 minutes ago, J-ALL-DAY said:

The move would be fine if you consider Chubb to be a better pass rusher than Landry. Personally? I'm not sure he is. 

Agreed. The talk about Landry's lack of pass rush moves is overblown. Landry doesn't swim/spin very often, so the counters may not be immediately obvious if you are lazily watching tape, but he uses hand technique excellently, getting inside the tackle's shoulders. He uses speed to power decently and is even better with various grab and jerk counter moves. You don't get 21 (if I remember correctly) sacks against ACC competition in two years even with time missed due to injury on just speed. That is more than Chubb had over the same time period. Both had excellent combines for their size and body types. I consider them similar prospects with Chubb being slightly more safe due to injury history and Landry fitting what we want from a LEO ever slightly more. 

[Gravity]

In that Walter link we get the 5th pick and a late 3rd rounder back fyi

[NcFinest9erFan]

31 minutes ago, J-ALL-DAY said:

The move would be fine if you consider Chubb to be a better pass rusher than Landry. Personally? I'm not sure he is. 

is more like a guy we already have? Solomon Thomas?  

[J-ALL-DAY]

Chubb could rush from the edge where Thomas is clearly better from the inside. But Landry at his best to me just has the extra juice that I don't think Chubb has. 

 

[JIllg]

5 minutes ago, NcFinest9erFan said:

is more like a guy we already have? Solomon Thomas?  

I think that he is probably best suited for Thomas's position in our scheme, but could definitely also be a big LEO. Their body types are similar. Thomas had a successful history of pass rushing pretty much only from the 3T in college. Chubb almost exclusively from the edge, which is why I wouldn't be too worried if we drafted him as a LEO. I was worried when the staff suggested that Thomas could play the position. It was possible. He was young and had enough quickness, strength, and burst, but he hadn't displayed any edge rushing skills in college. It was worth a try on a team that was going to lose a lot to test if Thomas could perform at the most important defensive position. It would save draft capital in future years and give Armistead more of a use. If not, he was a perfect big end. Neither Thomas nor Armistead (to no great surprise) really worked at LEO. Time to push Thomas back to where he was best projected.

[Chrissooner49er]

I'm not a fan of any pass rushers in the 1st round of this draft at all. Weakest position this year. Yuck. Which is why the tag was used on rushers in FA this year....unfortunately. Still would rather get Nelson if he falls to us.

[Ronnie's Pinky]

Among edge rushers, Landry is an intriguing target if the team trades down - looked like a consensus top-10 guy before ankle injuries slowed him his senior year. Terrific speed, fluidity, and long arms; he can really bend the edge. Looks like he's still raw, though, and I don't view him as a great value at the 9th pick. Davenport's tape is terrible...freakish athlete, but appears lost on the field most of the time, and that was against weak college competition. Key seems to be a headcase who may or may not really love football. No thanks on that one.

[Forge]

20 minutes ago, Ronnie's Pinky said:

Among edge rushers, Landry is an intriguing target if the team trades down - looked like a consensus top-10 guy before ankle injuries slowed him his senior year. Terrific speed, fluidity, and long arms; he can really bend the edge. Looks like he's still raw, though, and I don't view him as a great value at the 9th pick. Davenport's tape is terrible...freakish athlete, but appears lost on the field most of the time, and that was against weak college competition. Key seems to be a headcase who may or may not really love football. No thanks on that one.

Davenport is just so raw. He basically has one move - "I'm going to punch you as hard as I can, and if you're still there, I'm done". Don't get me wrong, it's a super heavy punch, but he needs a lot of coaching. I was unimpressed with what he did at the senior bowl against superior players as well. I like his motor, but I just don't see the value there. I get the ziggy comps, so but with Davenport you're gambling on pure upside. 

Landry, I don't love, but don't hate. I would understand him as the pick at 9, but like you, would prefer the trade down if we are going to do that route. I see him a lot as a fringe first round pick, lots of people have him going in the 20's or later, which makes a lot of sense to me and I'm much more amenable to. 

Key is actually interesting to me because I don't think that he goes in the top 2 rounds. I dont' have interest in him early, but in round 3? I don't know...it gives me something to think about. His 2017 tape is not great. His head is questionable at best, and his combine was underwhelming. But like Landry, his 2016 tape is really good. Would I be willing to gamble on him in round 3? That starts to get interesting for me. Probably depends on what we did in the first two rounds. 

Right now, I think if I can't have nelson, and I have to pick at 9, I think Edmunds is my favorite, but I think he could be in for a rough rookie season. Give him a shot at leo and just let him rush the passer over and over. Maybe move him to SAM as a blitzing specialist and get some pass rushing production out of that spot. He needs some pass rushing coaching for sure - how to use his hands, counter moves, things like that. If you want immediate impact, I think you have to look at someone like Roquan / Derwin / Minkah / Ward. I'm not sure what to do with Minkah as of yet in our scheme. Derwin suffers a similar detriment. 

[big9erfan]

11 hours ago, 49erurtaza said:

I just don't see it with the long big corners we have. I can't see us drafting a short corner in the top 10. Idk where Colin gets his info from ether. Lol 

Good is good! I was amazed during the combine when they put up a physical comparison of him and Deion. Almost exactly the same size.  Very similar speed. burst and agilioty too.