***SPOILERS*** Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi SPOILER Thread

[Calvert28]

3 hours ago, JonStark said:

Well that's just silly. I honestly can't understand how any fans of Star Wars are disappointed in this movie. 

Because it tried to be too much like Rogue One instead of trying to improve and build on TFA.

[Calvert28]

 

1 hour ago, Broncofan said:

Either he has to be the Big Bad or the First Order has to be way more competent.   Neither are present.  

Exactly, and it was explained in the movie that where one part of the Dark rises, the Light has to match it with a pairing of it's own. It's part of that balance talk they were going on about.

So for now, we have a dimwitted Sith Lord who got lucky with his lightsaber because Hollywood writers suck at story telling. And a OP Jedi who basically eclipses Luke, Sidious, Anakin, Yoda and all other Jedi in history with her progression and yet still has not been explained as to what she's supposed to be. Yea thats real balance.

[Knowledge]

This movie was extremely average at best

Rey and Luke on the island was basically pointless. Barely even trained her

Guardians of the Galaxy Leia scene was wack

No backstory to who Snoke was or how he got Kylo to switch to the Darkside. Terrible Snoke death

Terrible explanation of who Reys parents were

CGI was beautiful. Poe taking down the dreadnaught was the best part of the movie and unfortunately it happens right away 

The last 20 mins saved this film from being a complete disaster. Good action during that time

This one goes way down on the Star Wars ranking list. Might actually be my least favorite 

 

 

[sunnygsm]

After a second watch the flaws become more apparent. At the same time the highs were more prominent. It's both great at times and not good. 

Pros

- Everything Luke/Rey/Kylo related

- Finn's character arc

- Visuals + space battles

- Yoda

- Hyperspeed through Snoke's ship. 

Cons

- Status quo being the same as after Empire. Good vs bad, rebels vs empire. 

- Forced humour

- Logic on resistance subplot

- Casino subplot was unnecessary

- Snoke having no exposition. I have no way of knowing if he was a fraud or if he was truly powerful and just got arrogant. 

- Kylo's motivation or lack thereof. Maybe this will be expanded later. 

The film definitely should have closed when Like faded away. Would have been a lot better. The current version feels a bit abrupt.The parallel with Tatooine was fantastic. 

[Deadpulse]

2 hours ago, Calvert28 said:

And whats with the diagram? To show that it met some minimum standards for telling a story? Guess what, so did Suicide Squad, it does not mean that they actually did a good job with the movie. 

lol Suicide Squad did not. 

[Mox]

This is like TFA where overall I liked it but somethings here really bugged me. I'll start with the pro's though. Rey, Kylo and Luke were amazing. Ridley, Driver and Hamill did a great job in their roles, they had clear chemistry on screen and that really made the film for me. Hamill especially shows he's an unbelievable actor. I think I may be in love with Daisy Ridley now, will see again to confirm. The arcs most of the characters went through were well done. The visuals were top notch and the sacrifice scene into the Star Destroyer is one of the coolest visual scenes maybe ever. Oh, and Yoda popping up was super cool and really propped the film up. Kinda wished for Obi-wan though too. This definitely felt like a Star Wars movie.

Things that really bug me. Continually playing everything safe. Kylo and Rey going off together would've been amazing and new and created endless possibilities. Rey turning would've been great. Kylo fully turning would've been interesting. Instead they took the laziest route and immediately revert back to good vs evil which makes no sense for Kylo. Also Rey still does things too well too fast. Killing of Snoke was an absolute slap to the face. It weakens both episode 7 and 8 by having him be a throwaway with literally no history at all or explanation behind his relationship with Kylo. Knights of Ren seemingly being retconned out of existence is ridiculous. Phasma sucked hard again. Finn getting saved by Rose, who also somehow didn't die was so lame. In a movie where we get a couple great sacrifices and hundreds, if not thousands of deaths the stakes fell down a peg or two when you realized they wouldn't go through with legitimately ending a main character (you know force ghost Luke will pop up). In hindsight the side plot was kind of dumb and would rather Finn just stay in the coma and let Poe do all the cool **** and leading everyone. A lot of the humor was pretty bad. This definitely felt like the Marvel/Disney formula of being risk-averse and relatively low stakes. I don't care about super Rey vs Kylo in a good vs bad story at all. It's not interesting, it's not badass and it's not special. My excitement for episode 9 was probably cut in half.

[BayRaider]

Episode 7 - A New Hope 2.0

Episode 8 - Rogue One 2.0

Ridiculous. Also felt like a total filler movie. 

Don't get me wrong, Episode 7 was extremely well made, and this one was visually stunning and had some good moments. But from an originality standpoint this is the worst trilogy ive ever seen. 

This is coming from a huge fan who has seen Episode 3-6 a million times.

Force Awakens 9/10

This movie 8/10 being generous

Originality for the trilogy? 0.5/10

Creativeness for the trilogy? 3/10

[El Ramster]

This one was trash.. Rougue one blows this one out the water 

[Jakuvious]

I'm...undecided, having just watched it. I'll preface this by saying I'm not a Star Wars fan. Not in the sense that I dislike Star Wars or anything, but I've seen most of the movies once or twice, didn't really grow up with them, and aside from the most recent ones and A New Hope, I couldn't exactly repeat the plot back to you or anything. But it felt full of a random mix of excellent things and just downright poor decisions. With a lot of just mediocre stuff in between that.

Loved:

Most of Luke's plotline. It was a really fitting end, or it felt like it, in any case, but it seriously made me sad to see him go. His interactions with Rey and Kylo were excellent, Hamill did a great acting job in the movie, and I think he had the best motivations of any of the main characters (his cynicism and defeatist attitude at the start, and his slow climb back to choosing to help out were great.)

Just about all of Rey and Kylo's interactions. The force scenes were great, I really liked their joint light saber battle, and the way they began to bond while still sort of being on opposite sides made me give far more of a damn about both of their character's than the first movie did.

The first space battle. Poe in flight is excellent. Poe playing politics or trying to be funny is less so. But I liked Poe and the bombers taking on the dreadnaught, and Leia's reaction to the outcome was great. Her as the leader who hates losing lives is so good.

They're surprisingly good at character development. Luke, Rey, Kylo, Finn, and Poe all had some degree of interesting, deep, and sensible character development throughout the film. I didn't always like what it took to get there (particularly Finn on casino world and Poe's weird rebellion), but a lot of characters wound up in really strong places compared to where they started. Except maybe Kylo, who was in a really interesting place like 2/3 through the movie then regressed a little bit at the end. But we'll get to that later.

Meh:

The humor. Just didn't strike me as funny. Poe's banter at the start felt like he was trying to copy Iron Man or something, and poorly.

Most of Finn's plot. He ended up in a pretty great place, I think, but it seems like they struggled with how to get him there while also keeping him relevant to this movie's plot. You could literally have removed him from the movie and all the plot lines end up at the same place. It's like he needed his own, separate 20 minute long movie to get him where he needs to be, and just leave him out of this. And Rose's line after freeing the animals, the "Now it was worth it," followed by a ship predictably flying it's way over the cliff they almost fell off of, was a horrible mix of cringey and awkward followed by depressingly predictable. Just a bad 30 seconds of writing.

I really kind of don't get where Kylo's motivation is at the end of the movie. Him going rogue on Luke, okay. Him having some daddy issues to take out on Han in TFA and Luke in this, okay. His back and forths with Rey I'm down with. But he goes from saying, let's just get rid of all of it on both sides and start over, to just kind of taking the spot on the throne as masked baddie #1. I don't get it. Nothing this movie did makes him wanting to lead the First Order a logical conclusion. I really liked everything between Rey and Kylo, and was intrigued about where they were going with it, and it feels like they just settled on going back to the familiar good guy with lightsaber and force against bad guy with lightsaber and force, for the next movie. With no Snoke, I no longer understand why Kylo is there.

Maybe me not being a big fan plays into this, but where the hell did Yoda come from? That was really out of left field to me.

Rey mirror visions?

Disliked:

Leia forcing her way through space.

A handful of decisions made by characters just....didn't make sense. If the lightspeed thing works, why not plan to do that? Why wait until they start blowing up transports? Why did the Admiral need to stay behind with the original plan, if the main ship was just going to float and do nothing? Does the First Order seriously have no way of seeing that those transports are there without bribing the dude with the stutter? If the plan was always the transports, why not tell people that?

The movie seemed crazy reliant on last minute saves in the plot. Sooooo many deus ex machina. Like, some major conflicts were literally just steady sequences of repeated deus ex machinas. About to run out of fuel, we have transports. Transports getting shot, the light speed thing. About to get demolished, the Millennium Falcon arrives. Then trapped in the base, Luke shows up. Still trapped in the base, let's follow the foxes. Can't take the fox path, but hey, Rey's right on the other side of the rocks. Not every save needs to happen spontaneously at the last possible minute it could to make sure not everybody dies.

They freaking killed Admiral Ackbar.

[hornbybrown]

Watched it three times now. It’s amazing. Going again on Monday got to take the wife. Then will go one more time after that as I haven’t seen it in 3D and the wife won’t watch it in 3D.

 

so that will be five times inside the first week. Will go a couple more times after Xmas 

[LeeEvans]

10 hours ago, Deadpulse said:

Ive heard this said but for the life of me can't understand it. Can you elaborate? 

It's a little hard to quantify but I'll give it a go. Maybe it was just because TFA was the start of a new Star Wars trilogy but there were so many scenes that I just caught myself smiling and thinking "this is Star Wars" and I'm not sure if I had that at all this movie. The humor was one big reason, it was so cheesy and over the top and while Star Wars always has some of that I thought this movie was above and beyond. Things like BB-8 piloting a AT-ST and space Leia were just so silly it took me out of the movie for a bit. The Luke and Rey scenes had a classic Star Wars feel to me and so did the Kylo and Rey stuff but Kylo isn't imposing enough to really create the fear needed from the antagonist in a Star Wars movie. 

I'm honesty really happy that they went in their own direction and tried something new but a lot of it was just really poorly done and seemed to me like it just sort of lost who it was. 

[seminoles1]

16 hours ago, Calvert28 said:

Lmao what was compelling? Can anyone tell me?

Turning Snoke into a throw away villain?

By trying to deliberately mislead the audience by saying Rey's parents were nobodies? Or maybe they were nobodies so there essentially is nothing special about the Skywalker bloodline?

Giving no LEGITIMATE reason as to Kylo's down fall? Only saying h3 thought Luke was trying to murder him. But no reasoning for his darkness leading up to that moment? How did Snoke manipulate him when he came from such a naturing and loving family?

Having a force projection showdown with Ren which you don't think is fan service but he couldn't have that conversation on the bridge of Snoke ship? That was cheap, plain and simple. 

Leia suddenly tapping into her force powers and no one asking how she did that?

The Marvel humor being thrown in there in most scenes. 

Sacrificing the rebellion just so Finn and what's her face can stick it to some rich people saying "it was worth it." 

Still giving no reason as to how Anakins lightsaber was found again? 

 

They told an average story which didn't fill in many gaps from the first and will leave much of the same questions as before just to maybe be tied in for the 3rd film. 

It was solid as far as films go. But you preach Michael Bay and how bad that would have been. This was not much better then a James Cameron Avatar story. It was preachy and tried to get by more on CGI then continuing the story from the first one. 

You know there's another movie left, right?

[iLikeDefense]

I am baffled by that RT score. I don’t even know where to begin with this film. I’d say the 3 things that worked or I liked was Luke throughout the movie, he was excellent and really liked the brief moment bwteeen him and Yoda. The visuals were stunning especially if you watch it in IMAX 3D. I thought Rey’s character was awesome however I am confused how she can have such immense “raw” power and consistenly channel that power. It took the best Jedi Year’s. When Yoda said “the greatest teacher, failure is” was awesome and all but obviously doesn’t apply to Rey, she’s yet to fail and continued to become a stronger force user than Ren.

I find myself disliking this move more than liking but I’ll limit it to 3 things like above; I really didn’t care for the Finn/Rose arc, felt like a filler. The waste of Cpt Phasma, Snoke, and Knights of Ren. Talk about throwaways and seriously weakening TFA. You get these characters that obviously play a part in the continued destruction of the galaxy but they get no backstory and all die off (idk if the KoR were even mentioned in TLJ). The lack of motive for characters and the overall theme of the movie was buying time from the beginning when the FO is waiting for the Rebels fuel to deplete to Luke buying time so the Rebels can flee. 

Maybe I’ll like this more after a 2nd viewing but rn I prefer TFA and Rogue One. This definitely doesn’t touch ANH, ESB or RotJ.

[seminoles1]

14 hours ago, JonStark said:

14 hours ago, seminoles1 said:

This has the lowest audience score of all Star Wars films. Disney buying off critics again.

Well that's just silly. I honestly can't understand how any fans of Star Wars are disappointed in this movie. 

CinemaScore was an "A" (same as The Force Awakens and Rogue One), so I don't know haha.

[seminoles1]

10 hours ago, sunnygsm said:

- Snoke having no exposition. I have no way of knowing if he was a fraud or if he was truly powerful and just got arrogant. 

I mean, he force lightninged the crap out of Kylo with a tiny wave of his hand and toyed with Rey like she was nothing.  He got very arrogant before he died, though.