reddevil Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Canāt believe that this happened. I was waiting before the pick and thought.. we canāt go wrong. Most of everyoneās favourite RTs and CBs were there. I was starting to panic thinking what would the WTF pick be? And then it was a total WTF pick. I hadnāt thought, not even for one second that Bowers would either be available or something we would consider. Stunned that we had the balls to take him. Unreal that: a) he was there and b) a Raiders FO would have the smarts to make the best pick in that momentĀ 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydFan Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 (edited) 13 minutes ago, ronjon1990 said: A few unspecified posters will defend it to the hilt the same way they defend every pick we make, then go dead silent when it flops, then get loud again as soon as the next draft comes around lol Itās a bad look to just fall head over heels for every pick. Itās ok to be critical for the right reasons. I will be the first to eat crow if Bowers busts and we are sitting here three years from now without a decent qb still. Would I have preferred a trade up for a qb? Yes. Do I like our pick? Yes. I love the optimism for our picks but also appreciate being critical. Iāll never understand the folks that defended the Arnette, Leatherwood, etc picks.Ā Edited April 26 by FloydFan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 1 hour ago, FloydFan said: Itās a bad look to just fall head over heels for every pick. Itās ok to be critical for the right reasons. I will be the first to eat crow if Bowers busts and we are sitting here three years from now without a decent qb still. Would I have preferred a trade up for a qb? Yes. Do I like our pick? Yes. I love the optimism for our picks but also appreciate being critical. Iāll never understand the folks that defended the Arnette, Leatherwood, etc picks.Ā I donāt remember anyone defending the Leatherwood pick. I just remember a handful of us trying to be optimistic about it (hard to do). I had a bad feeling about Arnette after someone pointed out he had T-Rex arms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaidersAreOne Posted April 27 Author Share Posted April 27 The JPJ selection makes the Bowers pick even better. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydFan Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 1 minute ago, Jerry said: I donāt remember anyone defending the Leatherwood pick. I just remember a handful of us trying to be optimistic about it (hard to do). I had a bad feeling about Arnette after someone pointed out he had T-Rex arms. Some folks defended both and you can go back and see that.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 1 minute ago, FloydFan said: Some folks defended both and you can go back and see that.Ā I defended the Arnette pick but he was not my choice.Ā I went Justin Jefferson at that pick. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydFan Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 38 minutes ago, drfrey13 said: I defended the Arnette pick but he was not my choice.Ā I went Justin Jefferson at that pick. Ā Arnette was just so egregious to me. I understand the urge to defend it but looking back even that urge for me was naive.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 2 minutes ago, FloydFan said: Ā Arnette was just so egregious to me. I understand the urge to defend it but looking back even that urge for me was naive.Ā My defense was more about the 40 time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydFan Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 4 minutes ago, drfrey13 said: My defense was more about the 40 time. I hear ya thereĀ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank4Drake Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 3 hours ago, ronjon1990 said: A few unspecified posters will defend it to the hilt the same way they defend every pick we make, then go dead silent when it flops, then get loud again as soon as the next draft comes around lol This 100%. People acting like Bowers can't bust must not remember Kyle Pitts. I was probably the only non Pitts homer on FF. I said Pitts wasn't as athletic as people think. There was no combine that year and Pro Days don't matter, like at all. And I've been totally right so far, Pitts is terrible at getting separated. You still have some defending the guy saying it's the QB, lol. Pitts was #37 in target separation last year and #17 in yards per route run (the absolute gold standard for TE's and WR's).Ā Bowers didn't participate in the combine. Of course, as any player, used the injury excuse. But 95% of players who skip because of the injury excuse are just avoiding poor numbers and advised by their agent. Bowers like runs a 4.6, is only 6'3", not convinced his 3 cone wouldn't be terrible... I'm sure he'd bench crazy good though.... As every year, people go into this crazy justification process. Is there a chance Bowers bust? No. But there's an equally good chance the guy is just average just as good as he is a superstar.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank4Drake Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jerry said: I donāt remember anyone defending the Leatherwood pick. I just remember a handful of us trying to be optimistic about it (hard to do). I had a bad feeling about Arnette after someone pointed out he had T-Rex arms. People went into justification right away (well, like an hour) saying he'd be a good guard and started getting all hyped... like 80% of the forum.Ā Edited April 27 by Tank4Drake 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank4Drake Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 56 minutes ago, drfrey13 said: My defense was more about the 40 time. Which was wrong then and is wrong now. Combine 40 time matters. No other time matters and is 10000% irrelevant, don't care who times it, they are not the combine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 22 minutes ago, Tank4Drake said: People went into justification right away (well, like an hour) saying he'd be a good guard and started getting all hyped... like 80% of the forum.Ā Defending and justifying are different. We did need a OT. We just picked a really, really bad one. But I donāt remember people saying he was a good pick. I specifically remember people predicting we would reach for an OT and draft him but thatās just because Mayock and Gruden loved wasting first round picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 2 hours ago, Jerry said: I donāt remember anyone defending the Leatherwood pick. I just remember a handful of us trying to be optimistic about it (hard to do). I had a bad feeling about Arnette after someone pointed out he had T-Rex arms. A lot of people were. I specifically remember people hammering home that he was so good he was guaranteed to be gone and listing off his college awards. The defense of that pick was straight up bizarre and when I legit stopped listening to platitude-based analysis.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 6 minutes ago, ronjon1990 said: A lot of people were. I specifically remember people hammering home that he was so good he was guaranteed to be gone and listing off his college awards. The defense of that pick was straight up bizarre and when I legit stopped listening to platitude-based analysis.Ā I guess I missed those posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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