///mcompact Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 58 minutes ago, GSUeagles14 said: Seriously? hes lucked out of getting his team in serious trouble by his stupid in game decisions. Look how he handled his teams timeouts today. very, very easily could a lack of to's directly led to his teams loss. You seriously going to look at the final 4-5 minutes of that game and think that a bad coach's challenge set the Saints up to lose? Lay off the recency bias, man. I'm talking about their whole body of work, over the years, with consideration of what caliber of rosters they had to work with and what division they had to work in. If I was a team that had to hire one of those three coaches, I'm taking Payton. There are quite a few coaches I'd take before him, but this topic is about these three longstanding coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Payton > McCarthy > Tomlin I think Payton and McCarthy are very competent coaches. Tomlin is meh, but his teams are perennially in the top of the AFC so you can't really argue with those results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patriotsheatyan Posted January 15, 2018 Author Share Posted January 15, 2018 2 hours ago, Shady Slim said: these three along with reid are the four best coaches not named william stephen belichick So you think they are all top five coaches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Personally, I don’t love any of them as HCs. You can do MUCH worse, though. They’re not guys you look to actively replace or anything. They’re still top tier coaches, I just happen to believe the NFL’s current coaches are a bit lacking compared to other eras. Just not really a fan. If I were a GM or owner, I’d rather have Zimmer over them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabbs4u Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 All 3 are overrated really considering their overall success working with HOF QB's. When you've won a SB, constantly coming up short afterwards is deemed excusable. Hence why none of the three have been replaced. Payton, McCarthy, Tomlin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhioG Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Payton > Tomlin > McCarthy as coaches Payton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when it comes to swagger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSUeagles14 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 hour ago, ///mcompact said: You seriously going to look at the final 4-5 minutes of that game and think that a bad coach's challenge set the Saints up to lose? Lay off the recency bias, man. I'm talking about their whole body of work, over the years, with consideration of what caliber of rosters they had to work with and what division they had to work in. If I was a team that had to hire one of those three coaches, I'm taking Payton. There are quite a few coaches I'd take before him, but this topic is about these three longstanding coaches. thats not what i said, i said if things played out differently and they very easily could have. it was a close game and he flushed away two to's that at the time it was likely he may have needed. And its not like he want temporarily insane, hes not a good in game coach. Seems like few games hes doing some head scratcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMG5 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Payton really benefits from Drew Brees. I feel like we have success sometimes in spite of Paytons incompetence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSUeagles14 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 2 hours ago, JustAnotherFan said: Dan Quinn decided to pass the ball on the 1 yard line with the game on the line and only ran the ball 5 times with a 28-3 lead in the biggest game of the year TWICE! Are you calling for his head? (yes I know about the Hawk call) was he on the list? not even gonna debate if throwing was the right move this weekend as its not relevant here. what a stupid, pointless post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iamcanadian Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 10 hours ago, patriotsheatyan said: So you think they are all top five coaches? I think they are, their records speak volumes about them. Coaching still accounts for about 50% of why a NFL team wins, if you do not think so, just look up BB. Fans are just sometimes full of unreasonable expectations and find it hard to accept that they do not have BB as their HC and Brady as their QB, so they cry spilled milk all the time. BB is up here the other top 4 are down here and it is just that in every era, you usually find only one or 2 geniuses at a time and in this era, it is strictly BB up to this point!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mossburg Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Sean Payton is a boss. Whatever shortcomings he has, if there's a big football game being played, he and BB are above the rest for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 12 hours ago, FalconFan13 said: Tomlin Mcarthy Payton In that order to me although i think Payton is hands down the best coordinator of that group he is a offensive genius. My problem with him is he doesn't act like a HC sometimes and acts childish and disrespectful. He did it again after this game it seems when he was talking crap to the reporters after the game. Sorry, I couldn't resist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNPackfan32 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 McCarthy gets a ton of hate, I don't get it. - His teams never quit. - Never any real drama with the team - 8 straight playoff appearances - 4 NFCCG'S in 12 years - Good leader with a steady message The downside is he held on to Capers way too long and runs hot and cold as a play caller at times, but overall I think it would be really tough to upgrade from McCarthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 My opinion is that they all are good HCs, but they also all have major flaws in that they spend far too much time on one side of the team and tend to ignore the other side. Tomlin is the least offender of it since he never had the long track record of coordinating like the others. McCarthy spent far too long neglecting the mediocre job that Capers was doing and Payton had never put any interest into building up the defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugger Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 12 hours ago, Darth Pees said: Payton > McCarthy > Tomlin I think Payton and McCarthy are very competent coaches. Tomlin is meh, but his teams are perennially in the top of the AFC so you can't really argue with those results. What exactly makes Payton better than McCarthy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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