DizzyDean Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 1 hour ago, hornbybrown said: Josh Allen is garbage and will continue to be garbage in the NFL. At best he is a mid round prospect who will flame out like almost every other mid round QB prospect. Cody Kessler is going to have a longer career Ok, let me channel my inner Bonanza... WHERE IS YOUR 10000 kagillian percent concrete proof! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornbybrown Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 45 minutes ago, DizzyDean said: Ok, let me channel my inner Bonanza... WHERE IS YOUR 10000 kagillian percent concrete proof! His college tape Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizzyDean Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 25 minutes ago, hornbybrown said: His college tape College tape doesn't equate to 10000000 trillion certainty about NFL performance, that said, I was just busting a certain goofball's chops demanding proof for an opinion about future performance that is impossible to produce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 8 hours ago, hornbybrown said: His college tape Stop taking the bait broseph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 22 hours ago, freakygeniuskid said: Yeah, Duke is dead on. It's because you can't cherry pick one guy from 35 years ago as a case for a modern QB. The game has changed sooooo much. The reason you can say it for Mayfield is that there are guys, right now, succeeding in the NFL despite size issues. There is no active, successful QB who was as bad in college as Allen, and he was that bad at freaking Wyoming. Imagine if he had had to play SEC or BIG10 defenses regularly. Here’s a modern day example: Matthew Stafford Stafford has slightly higher numbers because he played his freshmen year and Allen didn’t. Stafford played with ELITE talent too. Year Completions Attempts Yards Percentage Y/A TD Int Rating Attempts Yards Avg TD 2006 135 256 1,749 52.7 6.8 7 13 109.0 47 191 4.1 3 2007 194 348 2,523 55.7 7.3 19 10 128.9 39 −18 −0.5 2 2008 235 383 3,459 61.5 9.0 25 10 153.5 55 40 0.7 1 Totals 564 987 7,731 57.2 7.4 51 33 133.4 141 207 1.5 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBrownsman Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 8 minutes ago, candyman93 said: Here’s a modern day example: Matthew Stafford Stafford has slightly higher numbers because he played his freshmen year and Allen didn’t. Stafford played with ELITE talent too. Year Completions Attempts Yards Percentage Y/A TD Int Rating Attempts Yards Avg TD 2006 135 256 1,749 52.7 6.8 7 13 109.0 47 191 4.1 3 2007 194 348 2,523 55.7 7.3 19 10 128.9 39 −18 −0.5 2 2008 235 383 3,459 61.5 9.0 25 10 153.5 55 40 0.7 1 Totals 564 987 7,731 57.2 7.4 51 33 133.4 141 207 1.5 6 The biggest difference I can find is Stafford also played AGAINST elite competition....Every game Allen played against a halfway respectable team (Nebraska, Iowa, Oregon, BYU and Boise State) he layed a goose egg... In total 77 of 155 (49.7%) 765 Yards (191 per game & 4.9 per attempt) with 4 TD's and 12 INT's... I know his players were power 5 conference type players, but an NFL QB needs to be able to at least look acceptable against good competition and he just does not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 “I know his players were power 5 conference type players, but an NFL QB needs to be able to at least look acceptable against good competition and he just does not...” Why? If your teammates suck, your teammates suck. Stafford was throwing to AJ Green and Knowshon Moreno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBrownsman Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 49 minutes ago, candyman93 said: “I know his players were power 5 conference type players, but an NFL QB needs to be able to at least look acceptable against good competition and he just does not...” Why? If your teammates suck, your teammates suck. Stafford was throwing to AJ Green and Knowshon Moreno. Are you saying these numbers don't scare you at all? that it was his bad receivers that caused him to throw 12 interceptions? and not just being bad against better competition? or that this does not worry you at all about him playing against NFL competition? More power to you if not. At the very least ya have to admit that this would be a risky pick at #1 overall because at the very least we don't know if he can play against elite competition. And the browns are certainly not in a position to take a huge risk at the most important position in the game that we have missed on so many times.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdrawkcab321 Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 Might as well have just kept kizer. Or weeden. Or Brock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 Josh Allen is possibly a better Kizer. We need to aim higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 11 minutes ago, Kiwibrown said: Josh Allen is possibly a better Kizer. We need to aim higher. It’s not our aim that concerns me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncoSojia Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 I really hope you guys don't live up to your history and actually draft Josh Allen number 1 overall. Just take Darnold and be done with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FGK Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 2 hours ago, candyman93 said: Here’s a modern day example: Matthew Stafford Stafford has slightly higher numbers because he played his freshmen year and Allen didn’t. Stafford played with ELITE talent too. Year Completions Attempts Yards Percentage Y/A TD Int Rating Attempts Yards Avg TD 2006 135 256 1,749 52.7 6.8 7 13 109.0 47 191 4.1 3 2007 194 348 2,523 55.7 7.3 19 10 128.9 39 −18 −0.5 2 2008 235 383 3,459 61.5 9.0 25 10 153.5 55 40 0.7 1 Totals 564 987 7,731 57.2 7.4 51 33 133.4 141 207 1.5 6 Did you just ignore Stafford's junior year for kicks and giggles? Or that he was throwing against SEC defenses at the height of the SEC's defensive wizardry? If Stafford had the same year his junior season as his sophomore, he probably isn't the #1 pick. And Allen's last year was WORSE than Stafford's sophomore year, let alone his junior year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 42 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: It’s not our aim that concerns me. True. ill try again. To have a chance at winning football games we need a good qb. Kizer 2.0 isn’t that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pscottdai Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 18 minutes ago, BroncoSojia said: I really hope you guys don't live up to your history and actually draft Josh Allen number 1 overall. Just take Mayfield and be done with it. FIFY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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