seminoles1 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 (edited) Thor showed in Thor: Ragnarok that he could spot Loki when he was using illusions. Unless they just want to completely retcon everything about the movie (since they already retconned so much involving Thor's character then I guess it wouldn't be a big deal at this point) then Loki is dead. The MCU loses all stakes if Loki and everyone else returns. Edited August 28, 2018 by seminoles1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skywlker32 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 18 minutes ago, seminoles1 said: Thor showed in Thor: Ragnarok that he could spot Loki when he was using illusions. Unless they just want to completely retcon everything about the movie (since they already retconned so much involving Thor's character then I guess it wouldn't be a big deal at this point) then Loki is dead. The MCU loses all stakes if Loki and everyone else returns. He was able to figure "spot" Loki because his actions while disguised as Odin were unusual. I don't believe they show Thor at any point actually being able to just identify Loki while he is using illusions, he just knows him well. Thor hasn't interacted with Banner/Hulk much since Loki was "killed" on the ship. Part of that time Thor was in a very weak state. Unless there is another time that you are thinking about, it wouldn't require any retconning and actually makes some sense even if they don't go that route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedTheClock Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Most of the dead will return, but a large portion will get permanently snuffed in the 2nd installment of Infinity War. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles1 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, skywlker32 said: He was able to figure "spot" Loki because his actions while disguised as Odin were unusual. I don't believe they show Thor at any point actually being able to just identify Loki while he is using illusions, he just knows him well. Thor hasn't interacted with Banner/Hulk much since Loki was "killed" on the ship. Part of that time Thor was in a very weak state. Unless there is another time that you are thinking about, it wouldn't require any retconning and actually makes some sense even if they don't go that route. He spots fake Loki immediately when Loki tries to leave him and steal his own ship. Edited August 28, 2018 by seminoles1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skywlker32 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 1 minute ago, seminoles1 said: He spots fake Loki immediately when Loki tries to leave him and steal his own ship. Or did he notice two Lokis (by sound or sight)? I'd honestly have to rewatch the scene, but I don't know that it's definite either way. There's still the point that I made also that Thor and Banner/Hulk haven't really interacted since the ship that I remember. I'm by no means saying that it's definitely the way they go, but it's plausible (but still unlikely). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingseanjohn Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Is this the new spoiler thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted August 28, 2018 Author Share Posted August 28, 2018 1 hour ago, kingseanjohn said: Is this the new spoiler thread? Its the only spoiler thread for IF There is a thread for A4 that feature potential leaks and spoilers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingseanjohn Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Deadpulse said: Its the only spoiler thread for IF There is a thread for A4 that feature potential leaks and spoilers. Like Banner really being Loki? Edited August 28, 2018 by kingseanjohn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted August 28, 2018 Author Share Posted August 28, 2018 7 minutes ago, kingseanjohn said: Like Banner really being Loki? Thats a theory based on scenes from this movie. I've been in the A4 thread (its my job), trust me, this discussion belongs here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrILL! Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 9 hours ago, seminoles1 said: Thor showed in Thor: Ragnarok that he could spot Loki when he was using illusions.. Well, he also had 2 eyes at that point. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles1 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 2 hours ago, thrILL! said: Well, he also had 2 eyes at that point. ? Well he has 2 eyes again halfway through Infinity War (1 thing they quickly retconned). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theJ Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 20 hours ago, seminoles1 said: He spots fake Loki immediately when Loki tries to leave him and steal his own ship. When i watched that scene initially it seemed like the same thing @skywlker32 mentioned - Thor just knew Loki would try to deceive him and was having none of it. Not that he sensed it by any extrasensory method. I'll have to watch it again, but i really don't think the films made apparent or even tried to show Thor using some "super" ability to see through Loki's deceptions. Also, in IF when Thor was on the GotG ship, he said something to the effect of how he believed Loki might actually be dead this time. But he didn't really sound sure. So that ought to prove right there that Thor doesn't have 100% insight into Loki's deceptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DUKE Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 In Ragnarok, Thor just knew that Loki would betray him for his own benefit, because that's what Loki does. He doesn't zap Loki until it's obvious what Loki has done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrILL! Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 14 hours ago, seminoles1 said: Well he has 2 eyes again halfway through Infinity War (1 thing they quickly retconned). I would’ve thought that once Thor got his new hammer, his body would’ve regenerated a new eye and he wouldn’t need the cybernetic eye given to him by Rocket. But then again, Odin went who knows how many years without one eye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theJ Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 On 8/28/2018 at 10:18 AM, seminoles1 said: Thor showed in Thor: Ragnarok that he could spot Loki when he was using illusions. Unless they just want to completely retcon everything about the movie (since they already retconned so much involving Thor's character then I guess it wouldn't be a big deal at this point) then Loki is dead. The MCU loses all stakes if Loki and everyone else returns. I was just watching Ragnarok. The answer to this is very easy. Surtur tells Thor in the opening sequence that Odin isn't on Asgard. That, combined with Odin's strange actions, and Thor knows it's Loki. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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