Scout Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 1 hour ago, DraftHobbyist said: Some of that is the system, though. Sure. You can say that about all these quarterbacks. Ultimately, does the ball go where it's supposed to, accurately? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 1 minute ago, Scout said: Sure. You can say that about all these quarterbacks. Ultimately, does the ball go where it's supposed to, accurately? The whole system argument for QBs gets overbrlown way too much. Most of these college QBs play out of the shotgun, which means their footwork is going to be a work in progress. It's the decision making part of the process that I think is the part we should be analyzing when we talk about the systems that QB comes in. If the QB comes out of a system where the pass has a predetermined target, that's an issue in terms of evaluating. But that's not the case with Baker Mayfield in Oklahoma's offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scout Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 55 minutes ago, CWood21 said: The whole system argument for QBs gets overbrlown way too much. Most of these college QBs play out of the shotgun, which means their footwork is going to be a work in progress. It's the decision making part of the process that I think is the part we should be analyzing when we talk about the systems that QB comes in. If the QB comes out of a system where the pass has a predetermined target, that's an issue in terms of evaluating. But that's not the case with Baker Mayfield in Oklahoma's offense. Yes. Exactly. I remember 10, 15 years ago when everyone had big concerns over the spread. I don't understand why people make such a big deal out of it now when 90% of college runs it. I've said it before in another thread, but I grade traits. Not helmets or offenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetskid007 Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 Haven’t seen much talk about Stidham. From what I’ve read he’s an interesting prospect who scouts want to see more of. I haven’t seen him play yet, hoping to soon. Anyone have thoughts on him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DraftHobbyist Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 Just caught the tail end of the Oklahoma-Iowa St game. Baker Mayfield did not look good at all in the 2:00 Offense. 24/33 for 306 yards and 2 TD's with 0 INT's isn't a bad stat line, though, plus his rushing. It looks like Iowa St just tore up Oklahoma's Defense for the most part, and both teams took care of the ball. What a start for Kyle Kempt. First ever start and all he does is go 18/24 for 343 yards and 3 TD's with no INT's to upset the #3 team in the nation. Too bad the kid didn't get a start before being a Senior. Does he have any NFL potential? Like I said, I didn't get to watch most of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DraftHobbyist Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 3 hours ago, Scout said: Sure. You can say that about all these quarterbacks. Ultimately, does the ball go where it's supposed to, accurately? I don't use the system QB argument for all QB's, and I don't think that's very reasonable. But with spread Offenses, even if the QB is making reads, you can expect a higher completion rate and often a higher TD:INT. Was the ball getting where it was supposed to go? Well, what I saw in the 2:00 Offense was a ball dropped because it was a 3 yard pass that was way behind the receiver. It was a 3rd 3 or 4. The next play I saw Mayfield hold onto the ball and not find anybody open, then when he did throw it, it was way over the head of his WR. He didn't even give his WR a chance to catch the ball. On 4th Down. To lose the game. Mayfield has character concerns and I'm seeing significant ball placement issues. I just watched Mayfield the other day and I put him as my #4 QB out of the 9 I've watched for context, and I'm feeling pretty confident with him being around a Day 2 guy that maybe drops to Day 3 depending on the character. I think there are few types of system issues, though. One is where the system actually hinders growth because the system is so simple, which is what you were referring to, but not what I was referring to. The second type of system issue is where there may be reads, but it's still a spread Offense that inflates the production numbers. That's the type of system issue I was referring to. When a guy is throwing over a 75% completion rate it's pretty easy to say he should be looked at as a serious NFL prospect, but would people be saying that if he was completing only 60% of his passes in Iowa's Pro-Style Offense? I'm not sure there would be such a push. I do think Mayfield is a middle-of-the-road prospect, but I don't see him as a 1st Rounder. 2 hours ago, jetskid007 said: Haven’t seen much talk about Stidham. From what I’ve read he’s an interesting prospect who scouts want to see more of. I haven’t seen him play yet, hoping to soon. Anyone have thoughts on him? I watched a game of his recently and wasn't as impressed as I expected to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oregon Ducks Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 On 10/4/2017 at 6:11 PM, BrownLeader said: Slight problem I have is the backup coming in and looking significantly better vs Utah. 1. Rosen 2. Mayfield 3. Darnold 4. Jackson 5. Manny Wilkins. Wilkins...interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DraftHobbyist Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 1 hour ago, Oregon Ducks said: Wilkins...interesting. He's most likely going back to school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oregon Ducks Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 I don't see him as an NFL prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elusive_Tiger Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 Not eligible this year, but I love Jake Fromm, Justin Herbert, Jacob Eason and Shea Patterson for next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 26 minutes ago, Elusive_Tiger said: Not eligible this year, but I love Jake Fromm, Justin Herbert, Jacob Eason and Shea Patterson for next year. Fromm isn't eligible then either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 31 minutes ago, Elusive_Tiger said: Not eligible this year, but I love Jake Fromm, Justin Herbert, Jacob Eason and Shea Patterson for next year. I haven't warmed up to Herbert yet. Eason hasn't played enough for me to give an opinion on. His 2016 season was alright I guess. Patterson hasn't impressed me yet either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMossIsBoss Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 Walterfootball has Clayton Thorson, the NW QB, as #15 in their mock. Apparently they've heard from NFL guys that they have a 1st round grade on him. Somebody please explain this to me. I don't even see how this guy is an NFL QB, let alone a 1st round pick. Good size, an NFL arm... that's where it ends from what I've seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 7 minutes ago, RandyMossIsBoss said: Walterfootball has Clayton Thorson, the NW QB, as #15 in their mock. Apparently they've heard from NFL guys that they have a 1st round grade on him. Somebody please explain this to me. I don't even see how this guy is an NFL QB, let alone a 1st round pick. Good size, an NFL arm... that's where it ends from what I've seen. Dude, it's WalterFootball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 1 hour ago, RandyMossIsBoss said: Walterfootball has Clayton Thorson, the NW QB, as #15 in their mock. Apparently they've heard from NFL guys that they have a 1st round grade on him. Somebody please explain this to me. I don't even see how this guy is an NFL QB, let alone a 1st round pick. Good size, an NFL arm... that's where it ends from what I've seen. I think he'll be a mid round guy when he does come out, but I don't think he will this year. He's only a Jr I think (though redshirt), and the season isn't awful, but it's not great. Will probably stay another year when evals come out and he's only a mid round type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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