Elky Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 54 minutes ago, lancerman said: This is such a dumb argument. Specifically the last name thing. There are exactly two Manning’s besides Eli to play in the NFL. One is gauranteed to get in because he was the best volume stat QB of his era, broke the TD record twice and holds the most MVP’s. If he had my last name he’s still getting in. The other is universally regarded as a great player who was saddled with a poor team. He’s extrememly respected in all football circles. He didn’t get in. If Eli’s getting in off Super Bowl moments then Tyree should get in Perhaps it's a dumb argument, but that's how the Hall of Fame works. It isn't all about stats; it's about your impact on the game. Joe Namath has ugly stats (which are usually taken out of context, but that's an entirely different topic) and has a losing record as a starter, but he's in the Hall of Fame for the guarantee and making football commercially viable. Kurt Warner is in even though his career is pretty much three seasons. Eli has won two Super Bowls against the NFL's biggest powerhouse twice, which went 16-0 the first time around. This is coming from a Pats fan that absolutely hates Eli. Rivers is a good quarterback, but he'll be largely forgotten with time. Eli will not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CP3MVP Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 15 minutes ago, Gmen said: He should’ve been in 2011. It depends on your criteria, but ultimately I think Eli gets in due to the 2 SB mvps and bulk stats. especially if he ends his career on a high note. Not first ballot obviously, but he’ll get in. Rodgers had a top 5 all time season on a 15 win team. Eli literally has no argument Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
game3525 Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 6 hours ago, Raves said: Top 10 <> HOF If you aren't considered to be in the absolute top tier of QBs then why bother putting them in? You think Stafford should be in? I mean Eli Manning has pretty much damn near identical stats at Rivers. Eli vs Ben vs Rivers Look at that. Nearly identical stats, though 2 of the 3 have multiple SB rings, the other... nope notta. This is disingenuous. Rivers and Ben have similar stats (bulk and efficiency), but Rivers and Eli do not. QB Rating: Rivers (94.8) Eli (83.5) YPA: Rivers (7.8) Eli (7.0) TD%: Rivers (5.3%) Eli (4.6%) Completion percentage: Rivers (64.2) Eli (60.0) The bulk stats are similar because Eli started two more seasons (Rivers didn't get his first start till 2006, Eli had already played 25 games). Even still, Rivers has more career touchdown passes then Eli. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Gmen said: Superbowls are only a part of it. When he retires Eli will be top 6-8 all time in passing yards and touchdowns. Most people don’t realize that. Longevity, toughness, clutchness. The only knock on him is he didn’t take care of the ball, but that didn’t stop Favre. Most people do they just realize that for the second longest reigning Iron Man in the most pass friendly era ever, having 5 guys who played during his era being ahead of him on that means it’s more about stat inflation. The knock on Eli is that he was maybe top 5 at his position once in his career.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Elky said: Perhaps it's a dumb argument, but that's how the Hall of Fame works. It isn't all about stats; it's about your impact on the game. Joe Namath has ugly stats (which are usually taken out of context, but that's an entirely different topic) and has a losing record as a starter, but he's in the Hall of Fame for the guarantee and making football commercially viable. Kurt Warner is in even though his career is pretty much three seasons. Eli has won two Super Bowls against the NFL's biggest powerhouse twice, which went 16-0 the first time around. This is coming from a Pats fan that absolutely hates Eli. Rivers is a good quarterback, but he'll be largely forgotten with time. Eli will not. Joe Namath was regarded as a top 5 in his era, was regarded as the best QB in the game in 1972, and was a two time AFL MVP and multi time AFL All Star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TENINCH Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 2 hours ago, lancerman said: This is such a dumb argument. Specifically the last name thing. There are exactly two Manning’s besides Eli to play in the NFL. One is gauranteed to get in because he was the best volume stat QB of his era, broke the TD record twice and holds the most MVP’s. If he had my last name he’s still getting in. The other is universally regarded as a great player who was saddled with a poor team. He’s extrememly respected in all football circles. He didn’t get in. If Eli’s getting in off Super Bowl moments then Tyree should get in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danieal_Manning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TENINCH Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 2 hours ago, lancerman said: This is such a dumb argument. Specifically the last name thing. There are exactly two Manning’s besides Eli to play in the NFL. One is gauranteed to get in because he was the best volume stat QB of his era, broke the TD record twice and holds the most MVP’s. If he had my last name he’s still getting in. The other is universally regarded as a great player who was saddled with a poor team. He’s extrememly respected in all football circles. He didn’t get in. If Eli’s getting in off Super Bowl moments then Tyree should get in http://www.nfl.com/players/search?category=lastName&playerType=historical&d-447263-p=4&filter=M so much Manning! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breesus mode Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 6 hours ago, Gmen said: He should’ve been in 2011. It depends on your criteria, but ultimately I think Eli gets in due to the 2 SB mvps and bulk stats. especially if he ends his career on a high note. Not first ballot obviously, but he’ll get in. Wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 55 minutes ago, Breesus mode said: Wrong Are you serious? You do know Eli passed for nearly 5,000 ya - wait, three guys actually broke 5,000 yards that season? Well, maybe so, but Eli also threw for nearly 30 touchdown pass - wait...three guys broke 40 and and two others broke 30? Well...eye test! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breesus mode Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, Yin-Yang said: Are you serious? You do know Eli passed for nearly 5,000 ya - wait, three guys actually broke 5,000 yards that season? Well, maybe so, but Eli also threw for nearly 30 touchdown pass - wait...three guys broke 40 and and two others broke 30? Well...eye test! Nah dude, he was totally in the MVP discussion with Brees and Rodgers despite being much worse than either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenos Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 On 8/15/2018 at 3:40 PM, Gmen said: Pulled his own weight is a bit of an understatement. He carried that 2011 team. The Giants had the worst running game in the league, literally 32nd in yards per rush. A bottom 10 defense, though they played better in the playoffs. As a result Eli needed to throw for over 6000 yards (regular season and playoffs), and lead 7 fourth quarter comebacks. He should have been league MVP for his efforts. Rivers may get in eventually because he has such pretty stats. I don’t think they tell the whole story with him though. He played with some great offensive talent including two hall of famers, but never really sniffed the Super Bowl. Even his play style was underwhelming imo. His pretty stats are largely due to a lot of dink and dunking to running backs. That’s not to say he can’t sling it, but from LDT to Sprolles to Woodhead, he seems to always have that checkdown to inflate his numbers. Shows how little you know about Rivers then. He is not a dink and dunk QB. He utilizes every skill position on the field equally: TE, RB, or WR. Heck, you might have more of a case with someone like Brees and Sean Payton's offensive scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenos Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Rivers makes the HOF if he wins a Super Bowl ring. His stats might eventually get him in, but a ring would cement it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
game3525 Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 15 minutes ago, Xenos said: Shows how little you know about Rivers then. He is not a dink and dunk QB. He utilizes every skill position on the field equally: TE, RB, or WR. Heck, you might have more of a case with someone like Brees and Sean Payton's offensive scheme. Seriously. Rivers played for Norv, who's offense is the opposite of dink and dunk. I mean those 7 step drop backs nearly got Rivers killed in 2012. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raves Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 21 hours ago, Xenos said: Shows how little you know about Rivers then. He is not a dink and dunk QB. He utilizes every skill position on the field equally: TE, RB, or WR. Heck, you might have more of a case with someone like Brees and Sean Payton's offensive scheme. You realize that Brees also utilizes every position on the field equally as well also right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 How many HOFers were never an AP All-Pro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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