Week 1: 49ers (0-0) at VIKINGS (0-0)

[PrplChilPill]

17 minutes ago, Klomp said:

While I understand we gave up more yards than people wanted and especially on chunk plays, the difference between that game and last year was the turnovers. Four turnovers forced was more than we had in any game last year. That makes up the difference when you give up a few more yards than normal.

But turnovers are largely luck driven.... That team looked mediocre. Not worried yet, but it was not a good game.

[SemperFeist]

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[Klomp]

24 minutes ago, PrplChilPill said:

But turnovers are largely luck driven.... That team looked mediocre. Not worried yet, but it was not a good game.

I was told last year here that forcing turnovers was what separates great defenses from good defenses.

[JDBrocks]

28 minutes ago, SemperFeist said:

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Yeah, that's a head-scratcher. He definitely gave up some of those big plays to Kittle, but I would think that a sack and a game sealing interception would be worth a lot more. Also, that play where he blew up the DT playing FB was classic Harry. That's a pretty bad grade.

[Klomp]

One thing no one really talked about is how little Cousins got roughed up, especially in comparison to both Rodgers and now Stafford.

[vike daddy]

were we never behind in the score of this game, and only tied when it was 0-0?

[marshpit23]

15 minutes ago, vike daddy said:

were we never behind in the score of this game, and only tied when it was 0-0?

 

No, never behind

	1	2	3	4	Total
San Francisco (0-1)	0	3	10	3	16
Minnesota (1-0)	3	7	14	0	24

 

Scoring Summary

1st Quarter			SF	Min
Min	11:04	FG Daniel Carlson 48	0	3
2nd Quarter			SF	Min
Min	1:21	Stefon Diggs 22 pass from Kirk Cousins (Daniel Carlson Kick)	0	10
SF	3:18	FG Robbie Gould 42	3	10
3rd Quarter			SF	Min
Min	4:19	Mike Hughes 28 interception return (Daniel Carlson Kick)	3	17
SF	5:45	FG Robbie Gould 33	6	17
Min	10:38	Kyle Rudolph 11 pass from Kirk Cousins (Daniel Carlson Kick)	6	24
SF	14:29	Dante Pettis 22 pass from Jimmy Garoppolo (Robbie Gould Kick)	13	24
4th Quarter			SF	Min
SF	6:51	FG Robbie Gould 22	16	24

[HitStickAllDay]

16 hours ago, PrplChilPill said:

But turnovers are largely luck driven.... That team looked mediocre. Not worried yet, but it was not a good game.

I didn't see a mediocre team. The defense was pretty dominant outside of cleaning some things up in coverage on the TE and FB. Garropalo had all kinds of problems. The offensive line was OK. The run blocking left something to be desired and I thought the play calling was pretty meh. But realistically, we played a pretty good 49ers team and beat them fairly easily despite the close score. 

 

I'm not saying we don't have things to work on, but I thought it was a pretty good first game. 

[Krauser]

21 hours ago, PrplChilPill said:

But turnovers are largely luck driven.... That team looked mediocre. Not worried yet, but it was not a good game.

Turnovers aren’t largely luck driven.

Fumble recoveries are luck — over time, every team will recover about half of them — but even then forced fumbles are a skill (that Charles Tillman excelled at) and not fumbling is a skill (that Adrian Peterson lacked). Different types of fumbles are more or less likely to be recovered: QB fumbles in the pocket more often come back to the original team while fumbles from WRs downfield more often change possession.

On Sunday, both the Vikings and Niners had RBs fumble, and both fumbles were recovered by the defense. Situations were a little different — Morris was stuffed at the LOS in a goalline situation while Cook was stripped from behind on a breakaway run — but both fumbles were probably somewhat more likely to be recovered by the defense, so I wouldn’t call either turnover a lucky result. 

Interceptions are not especially luck related. They depend on the QB’s decision making and accuracy, the defense’s pass rush affecting timing, angles and velocity of throws, and the relative skill of receivers and defenders at the catch point. There are certainly some lucky breaks with dropped picks, but by and large the same players generate most INTs on offense and defense, year after year.

The Vikings INTs vs SF were the result of one incredible play by Rhodes (one handed catch in close coverage) and 2 bad throws from Garoppolo under pressure. Hughes’ pick 6 was an easy play for him, but it doesn’t mean it was a lucky play — look how Zimmer schemed pressure and forced Jimmy G to get rid of the ball:

On the other side of the ball, Cousins had the one throw into a blitz that could’ve been picked (by Tartt, IIRC) but the throw was low and hard and the DB had to dive or stretch for it so it wasn’t a gimme. The Vikings had a little good luck there but they were full marks for their turnovers on defense, so I wouldn’t say the turnover differential was largely related to luck overall. 

[JDBrocks]

On 9/10/2018 at 11:41 AM, SemperFeist said:

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[swede700]

10 minutes ago, JDBrocks said:

 

Which means that he's won DPOTW 2 out of the last 3 regular season weeks (he also won it in Week 16 last year).  

[VikeManDan]

2 hours ago, JDBrocks said:

 

Pretty outstanding considering what Mack did on SNF.

[SemperFeist]

8 hours ago, VikeManDan said:

Pretty outstanding considering what Mack did on SNF.

Mack had a really impressive quarter (mainly against Kizer), but he completely vanished in the second half. 

[vike daddy]

WR Adam Thielen converted a first down on all six of his receptions vs. San Francisco, tying him for the fourth-most in the NFL after Week 1. In 2017, Thielen ranked eighth in the NFL with 59 receptions resulting in first downs. 

In Week 1 vs. San Francisco, TE Kyle Rudolph caught his 16th touchdown pass since the start of the 2016 season, which is tied with Packers TE Jimmy Graham for the most in the NFL among all TEs in that span.

https://www.vikings.com/news/game-preview-vikings-at-packers

[Uncle Buck]

I know we're on to Week 2, but this is a pretty fun video showing a lot of the highlights from the Week 1 game against the 49ers.