El Ramster Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 12 minutes ago, THE DUKE said: Littlefinger has essentially been a neutered character since the knights of the vale came to the rescue. For how good the character was following the book plot, the show writers just completely butchered him once they didn't have it laid out for them. Rhaegar going George Forman on us with multiple kids with the same name? When did Sam go back and read what he shushed Gilly about in the previous episode? More poor writing. Long ride Bebe.. Surely he had lots of time.. reported as well.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Doyle Rules Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Was disappointed with who they chose for Rhaegar, looked to much like the guy who play Viscery. Had high hopes and fell flat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Just now, O'Doyle Rules said: Was disappointed with who they chose for Rhaegar, looked to much like the guy who play Viscery. Had high hopes and fell flat. I'm surprised by how many people this bothered. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Doyle Rules Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Forge said: I'm surprised by how many people this bothered. Guess I just had a certain view of what I expected him to look like after all the stories you heard of him. Basically Legolas with muscle. Edited August 28, 2017 by O'Doyle Rules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cddolphin Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 7 minutes ago, Forge said: I'm surprised by how many people this bothered. Same. "He looked like Viserys, why!" ...because they're brothers? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ty21 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Who cares if the Rhaegar actor looked a lot like Viserys actor..? They're supposed to be brothers.. and it's highly likely Sam had translated that book gilly read to him since that's what he told bran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetfan66 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 25 minutes ago, Forge said: I'm surprised by how many people this bothered. I just thought the great warrior Rhaegar would have been more muscular. I don't mind the same hair. I envisioned a more jacked version of Viserys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetfan66 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 What does everything think of Tyrion's look at the end? I believe he promised Cersei that her baby would be the next in line to the throne if she banded together with the rest of Westeros. Tyrion's speech about not wanting to destroy the family coupled with his love for her kids fits the theory. Cersei accepted it to appease the company at King's Landing. However, she is cunning as well and never planned on leaving her son as an heir up to chance with Dany. Now that Tyrion is seeing the close bond between Cersei and Jon, he fears he won't be able to hold up his end of the bargain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cddolphin Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 1 minute ago, Jetfan66 said: What does everything think of Tyrion's look at the end? I believe he promised Cersei that her baby would be the next in line to the throne if she banded together with the rest of Westeros. Tyrion's speech about not wanting to destroy the family coupled with his love for her kids fits the theory. Cersei accepted it to appease the company at King's Landing. However, she is cunning as well and never planned on leaving her son as an heir up to chance with Dany. Now that Tyrion is seeing the close bond between Cersei and Jon, he fears he won't be able to hold up his end of the bargain. I don't see why Tyrion would strike this bargain or how he could convince Dany it's a good idea. I think he just is worried about any potential political consequences / side-effects of the two of them falling in love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 7 minutes ago, Jetfan66 said: I just thought the great warrior Rhaegar would have been more muscular. I don't mind the same hair. I envisioned a more jacked version of Viserys. Curious that people seem to have the muscular view of him. I have never thought that. The only real description of him is supposedly "tall and beautiful", and so far as I can remember, there haven't been a lot of targs described as "muscular"...I always picture them more lithe than anything. Growing up, Rhaegar was bookish in nature and he was a guy who loved music. He only learned to fight because he read it in a book that he had to become a warrior (for prophecy purposes), but he was never in love with it. Just never got the impression that he would be muscular. A bigger version of Viserys actually sounded about right to me. I always took his talent at fighting to be more technical and skillful than anything physically driven (and there's the question of just how good of a warrior he is - he won the tourney at Harrenhall, but there is a theory that fight was staged and he was allowed to win and we really don't have any more evidence that he was a particularly good fighter). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skywlker32 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 3 minutes ago, Forge said: Curious that people seem to have the muscular view of him. I have never thought that. The only real description of him is supposedly "tall and beautiful", and so far as I can remember, there haven't been a lot of targs described as "muscular"...I always picture them more lithe than anything. Growing up, Rhaegar was bookish in nature and he was a guy who loved music. He only learned to fight because he read it in a book that he had to become a warrior (for prophecy purposes), but he was never in love with it. Just never got the impression that he would be muscular. A bigger version of Viserys actually sounded about right to me. I always took his talent at fighting to be more technical and skillful than anything physically driven (and there's the question of just how good of a warrior he is - he won the tourney at Harrenhall, but there is a theory that fight was staged and he was allowed to win and we really don't have any more evidence that he was a particularly good fighter). We see inconsistencies of perception vs. reality elsewhere too. While Jon is a good fighter, he seems to be talked about as more legendary than he actually is based on stories people hear about him. Ned is another case where people view him as a better fighter than he actually probably was. While standing toe to toe with Ser Arthur Dayne is a tall task, word everywhere else is that Ned actually beat him in one on one combat. You also have the viewpoint that people have of Jaime vs. his actual motivation when you look at the Kingslayer moniker. It wouldn't have been out of the realm of possibility that Rhaegar had stories about him twisted a bit to make him seem more legendary than he actually was. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champ11 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 1 hour ago, cddolphin said: Same. "He looked like Viserys, why!" ...because they're brothers? I mean it was just kind of distracting. And we hated that character so much. It was still an awesome scene, but they should have gotten more attractive people to keep it 100 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnifico Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 36 minutes ago, Jetfan66 said: What does everything think of Tyrion's look at the end? I believe he promised Cersei that her baby would be the next in line to the throne if she banded together with the rest of Westeros. Tyrion's speech about not wanting to destroy the family coupled with his love for her kids fits the theory. Cersei accepted it to appease the company at King's Landing. However, she is cunning as well and never planned on leaving her son as an heir up to chance with Dany. Now that Tyrion is seeing the close bond between Cersei and Jon, he fears he won't be able to hold up his end of the bargain. Earlier in the DragonStone War Council/Map Room it was clear to all in that room that Dany was now taking Jon's advice over anyone else's (Jorah's in this case). When Tyrion was creeping and saw/heard what Jon and Dany were doing on that boat, I think it really drove home that Dany and Jon are now a unit, and his role as primary advisor may have potentially been superseded by Jon. The problem is the two of them being in love could hamper their decision making or cause them to do something out of character/silly in the coming war against the Night King. Cersei's plan would fall apart the minute Jamie rides North without the Lannister Army with him and Jon/Dany/Everyone realise they've been betrayed. Cersei has pretty much backed herself into a corner now with Euron and the Golden Company whenever they get across the Narrow Sea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DUKE Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I also just took it as Tyrion not liking potentially being supplanted as the Queen's top advisor. He'd still be the Hand, but if she's listening to Jon over him, that's bad news in his mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Doyle Rules Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 56 minutes ago, Jetfan66 said: I just thought the great warrior Rhaegar would have been more muscular. I don't mind the same hair. I envisioned a more jacked version of Viserys. My point exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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