Arthur Penske Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Outpost31 said: Also, Chase Winovich was like a mid round pick a couple months back. Why isn't he being talked about at 30? I had forgotten about him. I suspect after the combine I won’t want Winovich at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Outpost31 said: Yeah, I prefer that power type over finesse type. Looks like I prefer Ferrell to Allen. That's just player type. What are Polite and Sweat like on that spectrum? Also, Chase Winovich was like a mid round pick a couple months back. Why isn't he being talked about at 30? I had forgotten about him. Why would we talk about a mid round pick at 30? Don't get what you're trying to say? I know you like to throw out these type of statements, I'll give you one. If we take Chase Winovich at 30 I'll have a full fledged Norm style drunken outburst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 22 minutes ago, Outpost31 said: Yeah, I prefer that power type over finesse type. Looks like I prefer Ferrell to Allen. That's just player type. What are Polite and Sweat like on that spectrum? Also, Chase Winovich was like a mid round pick a couple months back. Why isn't he being talked about at 30? I had forgotten about him. I can't comment on Winovich as I haven't watched any of him. But I've watched plenty of Polite and Sweat. Polite. Dwight Freeney-esque. Shorter in height. Shorter arms. Unreal burst. Great bend. Has a spin move. Natural strip-sack motion, too. Very nice agility. I question whether he has the power you would ideally want. And the arms are a big thing to me. Doesn't look like he can disengage. Plus side, he's hard to engage as he's slippery, quick and explosive. And when I say DF-esque...I mean that in regards to his frame and quickness. DF was a freak, not sure about Polite, but he has some of the same physical traits. Sweat. Ideal frame. Long with good muscle. Kind of an elite frame. Shows pretty good power. Very little in the way of bend. I don't see a burst in him. Plays hard. Seemed to me like most of his sacks were clean ups after the DL caved the o-line. Kid never gives up, always working. Tends to play a little "high" for my liking. Doesn't win fast. Doesn't win with hands. Wins with effort. Polite has so much more upside, in my mind. Sweat, though, can play right away and be okay. I'd like him at #30. Not #12. Not enough upside for #12 for my liking. PFF had Sweat on one of those "overrated" lists, or something like that. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/draft-six-over-hyped-prospects-for-2019-nfl-draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBURGE Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 47 minutes ago, Outpost31 said: Yeah, I prefer that power type over finesse type. Looks like I prefer Ferrell to Allen. That's just player type. What are Polite and Sweat like on that spectrum? Also, Chase Winovich was like a mid round pick a couple months back. Why isn't he being talked about at 30? I had forgotten about him. Winovich has been mocked to us a TON with our 2nd, for months now. It stopped recently, thank christ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isherwood Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 44 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: Why would we talk about a mid round pick at 30? Don't get what you're trying to say? I know you like to throw out these type of statements, I'll give you one. If we take Chase Winovich at 30 I'll have a full fledged Norm style drunken outburst. I believe he means “mid-1st round” which is also not true. What, Outpost, did you see maybe one draft guy that had Winovich that high? He is pretty consistently ranked 3rd round and later. Want no part of him at 30. Earliest I’d take him is 4th round, if we didn’t draft Edge in the first 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Arthur Penske said: I suspect after the combine I won’t want Winovich at all. He's more of a try-hard type of guy. You'll get 110% but it might not work very often against NFL OTs. That being said, I think he might end up being a Brooks Reed-type prospect (not just the hair) who's a solid rotational EDGE guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBURGE Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Just now, packfanfb said: He's more of a try-hard type of guy. You'll get 110% but it might not work very often against NFL OTs. That being said, I think he might end up being a Brooks Reed-type prospect (not just the hair) who's a solid rotational EDGE guy. His ceiling is so low... What I see consistently is e is old and winning with technique and experience in college. Low upside, but probably will safely be a consistent 4th edge guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Packerraymond said: Gary's a straight freak, supposedly the best athlete in college football, at 6'5 280. At 12 ok I can see an argument for passing (I wouldn't) but 30? No way in hell. If you don't trust your defensive staff enough to spend a late 1st on Gary than you probably should fire that whole staff. I'll believe it when I see it. He doesn't pop off on the tape. He's a good athlete, but not a great athlete IMO. Maybe I'm wrong. But the fact that his production throughout college has been pedestrian doesn't set off a bunch of red flags? Maybe you invest in him at 30 if he's available, but I'd venture to guess there's someone whose significantly safer and offers a significant amount of upside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Arthur Penske said: I suspect after the combine I won’t want Winovich at all. I'm not sure why anyone would want him, he makes Vince Biegel look like a great athlete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachbuns Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Packerraymond said: Gary's a straight freak, supposedly the best athlete in college football, at 6'5 280. At 12 ok I can see an argument for passing (I wouldn't) but 30? No way in hell. If you don't trust your defensive staff enough to spend a late 1st on Gary than you probably should fire that whole staff. That may be. However, there have been numerous "best athletes" with all world possible talent drafted that turned out to be coach killers. I'd rather have the football player who has had proven production during a college career than a great athlete that played just ok. A 1st round pick should have enough skill set where the position coach doesn't have to coach the crap out of him just to get production. Pick 30 I'd probably do it ... at 12 ... nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBURGE Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, CWood21 said: 1 hour ago, Packerraymond said: Gary's a straight freak, supposedly the best athlete in college football, at 6'5 280. At 12 ok I can see an argument for passing (I wouldn't) but 30? No way in hell. If you don't trust your defensive staff enough to spend a late 1st on Gary than you probably should fire that whole staff. I'll believe it when I see it. He doesn't pop off on the tape. He's a good athlete, but not a great athlete IMO. Maybe I'm wrong. But the fact that his production throughout college has been pedestrian doesn't set off a bunch of red flags? Maybe you invest in him at 30 if he's available, but I'd venture to guess there's someone whose significantly safer and offers a significant amount of upside. The lack of production is what could push him outside the top 10, but I think the combine will be huge for him (and DK Metcalf). I have a hard time seeing someone with "significantly more upside" being available at 30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Just now, JBURGE said: The lack of production is what could push him outside the top 10, but I think the combine will be huge for him (and DK Metcalf). I have a hard time seeing someone with "significantly more upside" being available at 30 How many times have we seen a guy with elite measurables and mediocre production throughout college hit big in the NFL? It happens, but not very often. How many times have we seen elite athletes with mediocre production flop in the NFL? A LOT. It goes on and on. There's just way too much risk involved for me to even consider him at 12. And it's probably going to be the case at 30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBURGE Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, CWood21 said: 7 minutes ago, JBURGE said: The lack of production is what could push him outside the top 10, but I think the combine will be huge for him (and DK Metcalf). I have a hard time seeing someone with "significantly more upside" being available at 30 How many times have we seen a guy with elite measurables and mediocre production throughout college hit big in the NFL? It happens, but not very often. How many times have we seen elite athletes with mediocre production flop in the NFL? A LOT. It goes on and on. There's just way too much risk involved for me to even consider him at 12. And it's probably going to be the case at 30 you baby let's just take all the safest prospects, where's the fun in that. We missed on Josh Jones so Gary would be guaranteed to hit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 I meant mid-first on Winovich. I could swear we had talked about him with our first pick back when people thought we would make the playoffs, and I was asking why he fell so far into the mid rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Penske Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 33 minutes ago, CWood21 said: I'm not sure why anyone would want him, he makes Vince Biegel look like a great athlete. Wasn't Biegel actually considered a pretty good athlete by combine measurements? Or did justo just brainwash everyone when he was insistent Biegel was better than Watt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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