mm6492 Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 Abreu was very solid for a 10 year stretch but lacked that 3 year dominant period to push him in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 13 hours ago, mm6492 said: Abreu was very solid for a 10 year stretch but lacked that 3 year dominant period to push him in He's at risk of getting Jim Edmonds'd by the voters. Both he and Edmonds had a consistent 5-6 win stretch for 6-7 seasons rather than a big peak in their careers. Edmonds came close with an 8 win season in '04 though. I mean, if Craig Biggio is a HoFer, those two are both HoFers and Edmonds is already off the damn ballot. Edmonds got jobbed. Biggio had fWAR seasons of 9.3, 6.5, 6.2, 4.9 and 4.7 as his 5 best seasons Abreu - 6.9, 6.5, 6.3, 5.7 and 5.6 as his 5 best Edmonds - 8.3, 6.7, 6.5, 6.3 and 6.2 as his 5 best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sllim Pickens Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 9 minutes ago, beekay414 said: He's at risk of getting Jim Edmonds'd by the voters. Both he and Edmonds had a consistent 5-6 win stretch for 6-7 seasons rather than a big peak in their careers. Edmonds came close with an 8 win season in '04 though. I mean, if Craig Biggio is a HoFer, those two are both HoFers and Edmonds is already off the damn ballot. Edmonds got jobbed. Biggio had fWAR seasons of 9.3, 6.5, 6.2, 4.9 and 4.7 as his 5 best seasons Abreu - 6.9, 6.5, 6.3, 5.7 and 5.6 as his 5 best Edmonds - 8.3, 6.7, 6.5, 6.3 and 6.2 as his 5 best IMO none of them are hall of famers, but that's personal opinion. They all belong in the hall of very good, not the hall of fame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 7 minutes ago, Sllim Pickens said: IMO none of them are hall of famers, but that's personal opinion. They all belong in the hall of very good, not the hall of fame. Edmonds literally amassed the career fWAR of the average HoF center fielder though and he did it while playing only 9 healthy full seasons and that's if you include 140 game seasons as full seasons.. Seven of his 16 seasons went for less than 120 games so it's not really a longevity WAR either. Six straight years of 6 or better fWAR is a damn fine and (IMO) a HoF worthy peak. Sad thing is...if he hit .300 instead of .284, he's in the HoF easily because of one stupid stat. EDIT - Edmonds also was worth only 0.5 less fWAR than Tony Gwynn while playing a much more difficult position and doing it as a GG caliber defender. Yet Gwynn is in the HoF because of his batting average. So damn dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsoxsuck05 Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 1 hour ago, beekay414 said: Edmonds literally amassed the career fWAR of the average HoF center fielder though and he did it while playing only 9 healthy full seasons and that's if you include 140 game seasons as full seasons.. Seven of his 16 seasons went for less than 120 games so it's not really a longevity WAR either. Six straight years of 6 or better fWAR is a damn fine and (IMO) a HoF worthy peak. Sad thing is...if he hit .300 instead of .284, he's in the HoF easily because of one stupid stat. EDIT - Edmonds also was worth only 0.5 less fWAR than Tony Gwynn while playing a much more difficult position and doing it as a GG caliber defender. Yet Gwynn is in the HoF because of his batting average. So damn dumb. There's little use making the HOF a WAR leaderboard when most of the voters back then were old-school writers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 8 hours ago, redsoxsuck05 said: There's little use making the HOF a WAR leaderboard when most of the voters back then were old-school writers. Yeah but the writers/voters today have unfettered access to these numbers and some of them still refuse to use them. It's sheer ignorance at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingo18287 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Reds apparently pursuing JT Realmuto, with Trammel, Senzel, and Greene possibilities heading out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsoxsuck05 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Dingo18287 said: Reds apparently pursuing JT Realmuto, with Trammel, Senzel, and Greene possibilities heading out. Greene might be fine to give up, but giving up the hitters (especially Senzel) is moronic. He’s about as bust-proof as a prospect could be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GmenSeattle Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Ohhh Reds. Trying so hard to not win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mission27 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Who you got? Barry Bonds ($5) Mike Trout ($5) ARod ($5) Mike Piazza ($4) Edgar Martinez ($3) Wade Boggs ($3) Chase Utley ($3) Pedro Martinez ($2) Mark McGwire ($1) Garry Sheffield ($1) Craig Kimbrel ($1) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crab1106 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, mission27 said: Who you got? Barry Bonds ($5) Mike Trout ($5) ARod ($5) Mike Piazza ($4) Edgar Martinez ($3) Wade Boggs ($3) Chase Utley ($3) Pedro Martinez ($2) Mark McGwire ($1) Garry Sheffield ($1) Craig Kimbrel ($1) Manny, Beltran, Mookie, Beltre, Jeter, Cano, Thome, Edgar, Posey, Pedro, Mo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devils1854 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 5-Barry Bonds 5-Mike Trout 2-Larry Walker 3-Wade Boggs 5-Alex Rodriguez 1-Jeff Kent 5-Albert Pujols 3-Edgar Martinez 1-Jorge Posada 2-Pedro Martinez 1-Craig Kimbrel 1.Wade Boggs(L) 2.Mike Trout(R) 3.Barry Bonds(L) 4.Alex Rodriguez(R) 5.Albert Pujols(R) 6.Larry Walker(L) 7.Jeff Kent(R) 8.Jorge Posada(S) 9.Edgar Martinez(R) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DUKE Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 13 hours ago, redsoxsuck05 said: Greene might be fine to give up, but giving up the hitters (especially Senzel) is moronic. He’s about as bust-proof as a prospect could be. Supposedly a deal is around Jonathan India and the Reds aren't offering Senzel, Trammell, Greene, or Santillan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsoxsuck05 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 11 hours ago, mission27 said: Who you got? Barry Bonds ($5) Mike Trout ($5) ARod ($5) Mike Piazza ($4) Edgar Martinez ($3) Wade Boggs ($3) Chase Utley ($3) Pedro Martinez ($2) Mark McGwire ($1) Sheffield ($1) Craig Kimbrel ($1) Bonds (5) Trout (5) Mookie (3) A-Rod (5) Cano (2) Bade Woggs (3) Big Mac (1) Big Hurt (4) Mauer (2) Pedro (2) Kimbrel (1) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fl0nkerton Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Bryce to Philly is heating up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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