AlNFL19 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 4 hours ago, Nastradamus said: Dude is just gonna offset 4.8 speed? Who has done that? See I said “some” of the speed concerns and that he’ll be a “good No. 2.” It’s a problem, but I think he’ll be okay - not great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeezla Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 When would Etienne and Swift get drafted if they were in this class? Top 10? Top 20? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 I really like Damien Harris and Bryce Love and the kid from Nebraska. Hard to justify blowing a 1st on Jacobs even though I like him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Jeezla said: When would Etienne and Swift get drafted if they were in this class? Top 10? Top 20? How good is Swift? I was more impressed by Holyfield this year as a runner, and he has dropped like a rock due to his 40 time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeezla Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) 30 minutes ago, jrry32 said: How good is Swift? I was more impressed by Holyfield this year as a runner, and he has dropped like a rock due to his 40 time. Imo, very good. Plus he would have a very good combine. Etienne would have an even better one. Jonathan taylor will probably time similar to Miles Sanders, but I love him too. Swift should run a 4.4. That's the bonus to not taking Josh Jacobs this year. Next year, there's 3 or 4 backs who will definitely be worth a mid/late 1st. There might not be a Saquon, but there could be 2 or 3 Zekes/Gurleys/Kamaras. Edited March 25, 2019 by Jeezla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 9 hours ago, Nastradamus said: Dude is just gonna offset 4.8 speed? Who has done that? Here's my take after watching him: He's a true 4.8 guy. He looks no faster out of pads than in them. That's a big deal for me. I'd rather have a dude who is 5'10 217-220 who runs a true 4.8 than a guy who's 5'10 205 who runs a 4.45 in the underwear olympics but loses that speed once the pads come on, particularly because I wonder what else he loses- agility? balance? etc. Holyfield isn't a burner. But he's strong and doesn't appear to lose anything by putting pads on. Now, it certainly isn't a perfect metric, but it mitigates any concern I have over his speed. His tape shows me what I need to see. He's not a day 1 pick, probably not a day 2 pick. But if he's there in rounds 5-7? I'd take him in a heartbeat. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Anyone here have insight on Alexander Mattison? My take on him is he's certainly not a lead back option, but I can't see much indicating he couldn't be a solid #2 option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Jeezla said: Imo, very good. Plus he would have a very good combine. Etienne would have an even better one. Jonathan taylor will probably time similar to Miles Sanders, but I love him too. Swift should run a 4.4. That's the bonus to not taking Josh Jacobs this year. Next year, there's 3 or 4 backs who will definitely be worth a mid/late 1st. There might not be a Saquon, but there could be 2 or 3 Zekes/Gurleys/Kamaras. Swift just never blew me away. We'll see what he does next year. 1 hour ago, ronjon1990 said: Anyone here have insight on Alexander Mattison? My take on him is he's certainly not a lead back option, but I can't see much indicating he couldn't be a solid #2 option. I wasn't impressed when I watched him. But he does enough of everything that he'll likely stick around for a few years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fureys49ers Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, ronjon1990 said: Anyone here have insight on Alexander Mattison? My take on him is he's certainly not a lead back option, but I can't see much indicating he couldn't be a solid #2 option. Reminds me a lot of Malcolm Brown for the Rams who has at times spelled Gurley very effectively. Kind of a do it all back who's not going to hit homeruns for you but won't lose you any games and in fact might help you win some grinding out the clock and stringing chunk plays together. Good vision, decisive, who can run behind his pads. Above average receiver out of the backfield in terms of hands, not quite route running or variety of uses type of way though. Rarely came off the field for Boise so he has experience in all duties on all downs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedTheClock Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Will someone else back me up on the thought that George Aston is the best fullback prospect I've evaluated ever? Absolute star blocker with great hands with production as a runner/receiver. I don't factor in positional importance into my player grades. As a result, I have him as a top 5 player in this draft based purely on grade. It's time to give Aston some love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonOfDepth Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, ronjon1990 said: Anyone here have insight on Alexander Mattison? My take on him is he's certainly not a lead back option, but I can't see much indicating he couldn't be a solid #2 option. Mattison is an underrated back. He's a downhill back and is a tough tackle, but he's much more acceptable in pass plays than other downhill backs like Ollison, Ozigbo, and Patrick. I think there's potential to work with here for a 3 down back because he's got skills in every facet of the game. He's up there in a lot of the combine drills with other top prospects at RB. Edited March 26, 2019 by Wentz2Ertz ,, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nastradamus Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 15 hours ago, ronjon1990 said: Here's my take after watching him: He's a true 4.8 guy. He looks no faster out of pads than in them. That's a big deal for me. I'd rather have a dude who is 5'10 217-220 who runs a true 4.8 than a guy who's 5'10 205 who runs a 4.45 in the underwear olympics but loses that speed once the pads come on, particularly because I wonder what else he loses- agility? balance? etc. Holyfield isn't a burner. But he's strong and doesn't appear to lose anything by putting pads on. Now, it certainly isn't a perfect metric, but it mitigates any concern I have over his speed. His tape shows me what I need to see. He's not a day 1 pick, probably not a day 2 pick. But if he's there in rounds 5-7? I'd take him in a heartbeat. Ok. I wouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellChippy Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 On 3/25/2019 at 9:40 AM, Nastradamus said: Dude is just gonna offset 4.8 speed? Who has done that? Blount ran a 4.74 and, despite his size, he doesn’t generate much power until he breaks past the line of scrimmage. Holyfield appears ready for contact after his first step, and doesn’t necessarily need a hole to get a couple yards. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nastradamus Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 15 hours ago, ronjon1990 said: Anyone here have insight on Alexander Mattison? My take on him is he's certainly not a lead back option, but I can't see much indicating he couldn't be a solid #2 option. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/draft-nfl-teams-commend-boise-state-running-backs-balanced-skillset-versatility 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nastradamus Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 8 minutes ago, KellChippy said: Blount ran a 4.74 and, despite his size, he doesn’t generate much power until he breaks past the line of scrimmage. Holyfield appears ready for contact after his first step, and doesn’t necessarily need a hole to get a couple yards. sure, at 25 lbs heavier, with a reputation for running 4.4 40s(probably juiced a tenth sure) and a 6.85 3 cone. I guess he's an example though. Holyfield is a good football player and sometimes that's enough. Its not enough when you run a 4.8 at RB IMO. Plenty of Big ten RBs over the years assure you of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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