49ers Reuben Foster arrested on domestic violence again (released claimed by Redskins)

[MrOaktown_56]

11 minutes ago, Slateman said:

He has performed poorly this year. Amongst the league's worst linebackers. Basically, a the cons that were in his scouting report have reared their head.

I'm not saying he will play, but he would be very freed up behind Washington's front. They have one of the best fronts in the league IMO.

[Slateman]

1 hour ago, MrOaktown_56 said:

I'm not saying he will play, but he would be very freed up behind Washington's front. They have one of the best fronts in the league IMO.

Foster this year has been missing tackles,  not getting pre-snap position, and not keeping his assignments. The Skins defensive front cant fix that.

 

Foster did not have the headset on the field, despite being the ILB. His coaches couldn't trust him to get himself in position, let alone his teammates. 

[Forge]

1 hour ago, MrOaktown_56 said:

Is foster bad now? I thought he was a good player with some growing pains...

He's been terribad this year. Missing tackles left and right. I think PFF said he was the second least efficient tackler in the NFL this year for linebackers (like 91st out of 92 or something). If it's because of the shoulder, I don't know, but that would be the most likely scenario as he was very, very good last year. Now, that shoulder has been a recurring issues since before he was drafted - so I can't safely say, "oh yeah, he'll heal up and get all better and be a beast again". It could be that this shoulder is a major issue moving forward, either through degeneration or just irreparably damaged. 

[Broncofan]

1 hour ago, Forge said:

He's been terribad this year. Missing tackles left and right. I think PFF said he was the second least efficient tackler in the NFL this year for linebackers (like 91st out of 92 or something). If it's because of the shoulder, I don't know, but that would be the most likely scenario as he was very, very good last year. Now, that shoulder has been a recurring issues since before he was drafted - so I can't safely say, "oh yeah, he'll heal up and get all better and be a beast again". It could be that this shoulder is a major issue moving forward, either through degeneration or just irreparably damaged. 

Shoulder and hamstring IIRC - which is why his range was limited.  I don't think we can argue that if he's healthy, he's an elite defender.   'Bama and last year showed that.  

But, still - it's been a collossal gong show that WAS has executed, given that we know that they did zero in-season research, didn't consult with any 'Bama alumni on the team, and actually have players going out of their way to deny it.  And judging by the press conference answers, we also know the FO is tone deaf to the problems Foster has encountered - and there's very clear division within the org on whether or not they should have made the claim, beat reporters have confirmed as much.   SMH all around.

[naptownskinsfan]

4 hours ago, Broncofan said:

Shoulder and hamstring IIRC - which is why his range was limited.  I don't think we can argue that if he's healthy, he's an elite defender.   'Bama and last year showed that.  

But, still - it's been a collossal gong show that WAS has executed, given that we know that they did zero in-season research, didn't consult with any 'Bama alumni on the team, and actually have players going out of their way to deny it.  And judging by the press conference answers, we also know the FO is tone deaf to the problems Foster has encountered - and there's very clear division within the org on whether or not they should have made the claim, beat reporters have confirmed as much.   SMH all around.

The thing is, the jury is out on whether he's an elite defender.  Remember how Aaron Curry was this can't miss LB prospect coming out of college?  Elite college performers don't carry over.  Also, Foster could be suffering a sophomore slump, or these injuries could be mounting and taking a toll on his performance.  His rookie year could always be his best year of football.  It's also very possible that Foster gets to come back next season, and gets 100% health and goes back to being an elite player.  Who knows?  But it's definitely too early to call him an elite defender if healthy.  

I'm just wondering how much this affects the ticket market moving forward.  The home games, including the season opener against Indy and the home game against Dallas, have not been sellouts and most games, they are about 20k short of that.  Fans have been vocal about how upset they are with this- as it is a long line of PR/off-field gaffes- and people have been speaking with not coming to the games.  Long time season ticket holders were cancelling their tickets the past two off-seasons.  It's disappointing to see where this franchise sits, compared to where they used to be.  And the kicker is, Dan Snyder is such a homer for the Redskins, he considers Bruce Allen royalty because of what his father did in the 70's, so he's got carte-blanche to do whatever he wants with the Redskins and he sits back and lets him do it.  

[GSUeagles14]

@Woz

 

"I would take a chance that a player with multiple arrests for battery and allegations of domestic violence might be good;
that his potential talent outweighs any potential criminal or civil issues he might be involved in because his projected
play on the field is all that matters; and that the massive upfront negative PR is completely immaterial because he
could ball out sometime in the future and is cheap.

There's no risk to this decision. Well, beyond the reputational harm to the franchise. And the outstanding question of
whether he is any good. Or how this reflects on the NFL as a whole with yet another player accused of domestic violence."

 

you putting words in my mouth... that is absolutely not my opinion. My opinion is really simple, an accusation only does not prove anything, period. Even in a vacuum that should be true, then add in everything else we know with the two peoples involved relationship. Hes not playing while this is being investigated nor should he, if hes guilty in some way you cut him and if hes not then you keep him. Weird thought right, things like due process?

 

and youre also wrong about how businesses work. I can go and make 10 accusations towards someone in upper mgmt of different companies and i promise you not one would act before doing some kind of investigation to see if its true. Thats how it should work, im actually shocked that this has to be an ongoing argument.

 

as far as his talent and how he helps the redskins, you can be talented without being a productive nfl player. Hes talented regardless and hes under contract for multiple year. IF it turns out foster gets cleared, Washington has a very talented player to work with. In regards to this year, as ive already mentioned, it appears most media has moved away from this in only 2 days. Players are getting asked about Mccoy and Smiths injury as well, that wont be to blame IF the redskins lose either. as i already said, to try and scapegoat the foster signing if they were to lose is laughable.

 

[TXsteeler]

On 11/29/2018 at 9:53 AM, Slateman said:

 

I'm sure that they asked someone. But it's clear that the front office didn't ask all Alabama alum on the team.

 

Again, why are any of you surprised by this? Seriously, does the rest of the NFL just understand how incompetent Washington's ownership/front office is at this point?

Chris The Rooster Russel covered it last night. Here's the WaPo story: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2018/11/28/two-alabama-teammates-say-they-werent-consulted-before-redskins-claimed-reuben-foster/?utm_term=.d57708e44302

 

Chad Dukes had a ton of coverage on afternoon drive. What's interesting is he had it covered from a strictly football stance. Had at least two guests on who talked about how bad Foster had played. Also had Jay Gruden's press conference, during which someone (Doug Williams?) cut off reporters from asking about Reuben Foster.

 

Honestly, at this point, as a Redskins fan, I'm just about hopeless. Synder is too young and rich to die of natural causes. I'm just hoping at this point some passionate Skins fan who works at NSA is going go rogue and start tapping his phones, to catch him saying something he shouldn't, and Snyder will be forced to sell.

I heard a lot about the claim and how Foster is apparently trash as a player and wasn't worth any of this, but I didn't hear that the FO lied about talking to all of the Bama players about Foster.

[TXsteeler]

On 11/29/2018 at 10:10 AM, naptownskinsfan said:

 

None of that would surprise me.  Throughout Snyder's term as owner here, throughout two team presidents and countless coaches, the one constant has been "unnamed sources."  The media loves to quote those unnamed sources.  On the rare occasion we have a good season, like when RGIII came in and won the division and ROY in his first year, those unnamed sources go away.  The second things go bad?  The unnamed sources come back out in force.  Is it front office guys?  Players?  Coaches?  The owner?  We don't know, but the only constant are these unnamed sources who create tons of turmoil, while also exposing the some of what goes on behind the scenes.  

It's frustrating as a Redskins fan for this.  This is why attendance is down, and season ticket sales have plumitted.  The support for this team is waning, and it has everything to do with how this team is run from the top down.  

Redskins fans should start a petition to force Snyder to sell the team, then stop giving them any money and only watch the games through means that give them worse ratings. And pressure your friends and family into doing this as well. If yall could get a serious community effort in where only a couple dozen thousand away fans show up for each game and nobody is buying merch for like 1.5 years he would be forced out in the middle of the second season.

[Slateman]

39 minutes ago, TXsteeler said:

Redskins fans should start a petition to force Snyder to sell the team, then stop giving them any money and only watch the games through means that give them worse ratings. And pressure your friends and family into doing this as well. If yall could get a serious community effort in where only a couple dozen thousand away fans show up for each game and nobody is buying merch for like 1.5 years he would be forced out in the middle of the second season.

I mean ... the petition would do nothing. Fans have stopped coming to the stadium. The players called fans out for it this season, and now I'm like, now you know why.

 

[naptownskinsfan]

12 minutes ago, Slateman said:

I mean ... the petition would do nothing. Fans have stopped coming to the stadium. The players called fans out for it this season, and now I'm like, now you know why.

 

Yup.  My dad's seats from when Fed Ex is open are gone, made into the end zone standing room only.  My uncle's seats, which were halfway up 454, are now at the top of 454 because seats were closed up.  

Even after dropping the capacity to keep the sellout streak going, they still can't fill the stadium.  For just about every game, 20,000 seats or so remained unsold and unoccupied, excepting the Dallas game, which still had close to 10,000.  The upper level is a joke, and the club level end zone on the away side is almost empty, and some of the seats are closed.  At this point, they should close the 400 level entirely and move everyone down.  

[Broncofan]

1 hour ago, Slateman said:

I mean ... the petition would do nothing. Fans have stopped coming to the stadium. The players called fans out for it this season, and now I'm like, now you know why.

 

 

1 hour ago, naptownskinsfan said:

Yup.  My dad's seats from when Fed Ex is open are gone, made into the end zone standing room only.  My uncle's seats, which were halfway up 454, are now at the top of 454 because seats were closed up.  

Even after dropping the capacity to keep the sellout streak going, they still can't fill the stadium.  For just about every game, 20,000 seats or so remained unsold and unoccupied, excepting the Dallas game, which still had close to 10,000.  The upper level is a joke, and the club level end zone on the away side is almost empty, and some of the seats are closed.  At this point, they should close the 400 level entirely and move everyone down.  

And to top it all off - Allen and Snyder tried to pass off a waiting list of 100k this past offseason.   Only to have 10k empty seats on Home Opener.  And had to fess up then. 

The one silver lining for  local media is that they really do put the FUN back into dysfunctional.  

[Slateman]

13 minutes ago, Broncofan said:

 

And to top it all off - Allen and Snyder tried to pass off a waiting list of 100k this past offseason.   Only to have 10k empty seats on Home Opener.  And had to fess up then. 

The one silver lining for  local media is that they really do put the FUN back into dysfunctional.  

They've been lying about this for a decade. I laughed. My Sister in Law tried to tell me that she was on the waiting list for years, and I was like, "Oh really? If there's a waiting list, why the heck did they rip out seats from the stadium?"

 

Really it's only WJFK at this point that pokes fun. 980 still acts like they're owned by them. None of the local TV stations actually care about their sports segments any more (RIP George Michael Sports Machine).  The national media doesn't pay too much attention, as this team is generally just bad.

It's fine. It's whatever. You're never going to take this from me:

https://www.reddit.com/r/OviAndHisCup/

[Hunter2_1]

@Slateman I wouldn't bother with GSU, he only comes on here to get into arguments. If you check his posting record, it is literally all scraps. Usually he gets a hiding, like you've just administered to him. 

[Broncofan]

3 minutes ago, Slateman said:

They've been lying about this for a decade. I laughed. My Sister in Law tried to tell me that she was on the waiting list for years, and I was like, "Oh really? If there's a waiting list, why the heck did they rip out seats from the stadium?"

 

Really it's only WJFK at this point that pokes fun. 980 still acts like they're owned by them. None of the local TV stations actually care about their sports segments any more (RIP George Michael Sports Machine).  The national media doesn't pay too much attention, as this team is generally just bad.

It's fine. It's whatever. You're never going to take this from me:

https://www.reddit.com/r/OviAndHisCup/

You will always have Ovi and 2017-18.  

After so many heartbreak years he’s the one Russian that everyone in Washington can get behind lol.  

[Hunter2_1]

23 hours ago, Broncofan said:

And just so we are clear - the Skins FO can’t even show they think this is a serious issue.   SMH.  

 

Jesus Christ.