ronjon1990 Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Just now, drfrey13 said: I do not want to say it but this is starting to look like an environment issue. It could be the city, the team leadership, or pure dumb luck. They should make the entire team go visit Ruggs. Scared Straight Raider edition. Nah, it's a personal inability to control impulse issue. Crosby and Waller haven't had problems. Hobbs had character questions coming out. Arnette too. Jacobs probably did that just went unnoticed because he played at Bama. Ruggs too. No way he was a model citizen beforehand. I hate to say it, because it negates a guy like Crosby or Waller that turns their life around, but we need to just stop with taking guys with character concerns period. It's clear as day we overlook it in favor of talent, and that's all well and good until it's not. For every Waller or Crosby, there's about 5 or 6 total morons who just refuse to grow TF up. And I say screw them. They don't deserve to make NFL money of they're that stupid. Let their inevitable league suspensions/banishments be someone else's problem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Just now, OldManWillis said: So did he pass out in the car while in a parking garage? Was the car parked or was he attempting to leave? Man, Vegas is gona be a problem for the players. He was asleep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dessie Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 5 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said: Leadership. Rich is so soft. If you didn't drill it into the players heads that driving drunk will ruin your life, you're not a good enough leader. I would have lost my voice yelling at the guys in the locker room after the ruggs situation. Course you would. More chance you would have lost your voice shouting ‘we suck’ and ‘xxxx this team’ ? But you think you can criticise Bisaccias leadership smh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyPhil1781 Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Do these guys not learn? I'm so confused how this can happen to people that have a ton of money and ride share options right at their fingertips. I don't understand how they can be this stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, drfrey13 said: Thank goodness he was not doing 150 on city streets but that is still stupid. Take the keys out of the ignition and go to sleep in the back seat. I had a buddy get a DUI once for sitting in his car at a party. I knew he had no intention of driving but good luck telling the cops. Even keys out of the ignition and sleeping in the backseat is a DUI. Kind of a dumb rule to be honest. Parked but with the car on, I can understand a DUI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Just now, Dessie said: Course you would. More chance you would have lost your voice shouting ‘we suck’ and ‘xxxx this team’ ? But you think you can criticise Bisaccias leadership smh. Considering I am a physician in training and have had friends killed by DUI, I think I have a right to criticize a guy who has players committing life-endangering crimes, yes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 1 minute ago, BayRaider said: Even keys out of the ignition and sleeping in the backseat is a DUI. Kind of a dumb rule to be honest. Parked but with the car on, I can understand a DUI. Is that a Vegas law? If so that is BS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 (edited) 34 minutes ago, ronjon1990 said: Nah, it's a personal inability to control impulse issue. Crosby and Waller haven't had problems. Hobbs had character questions coming out. Arnette too. Jacobs probably did that just went unnoticed because he played at Bama. Ruggs too. No way he was a model citizen beforehand. I hate to say it, because it negates a guy like Crosby or Waller that turns their life around, but we need to just stop with taking guys with character concerns period. It's clear as day we overlook it in favor of talent, and that's all well and good until it's not. For every Waller or Crosby, there's about 5 or 6 total morons who just refuse to grow TF up. And I say screw them. They don't deserve to make NFL money of they're that stupid. Let their inevitable league suspensions/banishments be someone else's problem. The thing is you had to have played with people like this to know how this is possible. You cant just chalk it up to like bad leadership. Edited January 3, 2022 by Jeremy408 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dessie Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Just now, MrOaktown_56 said: Considering I am a physician in training and have had friends killed by DUI, I think I have a right to criticize a guy who has players committing life-endangering crimes, yes. How is it Bisaccias fault ? You have no idea what Bisaccia has said or not said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Just now, Dessie said: How is it Bisaccias fault ? You have no idea what Bisaccia has said or not said. When you have multiple guys in the locker room doing the same thing, I chalk it up to bad leadership. If one guys makes a mistake, you can say it's bad luck. When you have multiple guys doing it, it's a problem. I'll give you an example from my work. Missing a pulmonary embolism is unacceptable. If you do, people will die. If a medical student misses one in the hospital, you can say it might be an honest mistake. If multiple students are missing it, it's more than likely a systemic issue (poor teaching, etc.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said: Considering I am a physician in training and have had friends killed by DUI, I think I have a right to criticize a guy who has players committing life-endangering crimes, yes. These are grown as men tho. They get held accountable for their mistakes. Rich has a whole team to be responsible for. Can’t sacrifice the team for one player it never works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dessie Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Just now, MrOaktown_56 said: When you have multiple guys in the locker room doing the same thing, I chalk it up to bad leadership. If one guys makes a mistake, you can say it's bad luck. When you have multiple guys doing it, it's a problem. I'll give you an example from my work. Missing a pulmonary embolism is unacceptable. If you do, people will die. If a medical student misses one in the hospital, you can say it might be an honest mistake. If multiple students are missing it, it's more than likely a systemic issue (poor teaching, etc.) Like I said you have no idea what Bisaccia has said or hasn’t said. Somehow you equate Hobbs arrest to being Bisaccias fault. No idea what the rambling about your job has got to do with anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 1 minute ago, Dessie said: Like I said you have no idea what Bisaccia has said or hasn’t said. Somehow you equate Hobbs arrest to being Bisaccias fault. No idea what the rambling about your job has got to do with anything. I'm not saying it's 100% his fault. But do I think there's an issue if it's happening over and over again? Absolutely. You're right I'm not in the locker room. But Jacobs had a DUI last year. Ruggs this year. Hobbs now after Ruggs killed someone. You think this is a coincidence? You think it's being handled right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dessie Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Just now, MrOaktown_56 said: I'm not saying it's 100% his fault. But do I think there's an issue if it's happening over and over again? Absolutely. You're right I'm not in the locker room. But Jacobs had a DUI last year. Ruggs this year. Hobbs now after Ruggs killed someone. You think this is a coincidence? You think it's being handled right? Was Bisaccia in charge when Jacobs got his DUI ? What has that got to do with him ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 5 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said: These are grown as men tho. They get held accountable for their mistakes. Rich has a whole team to be responsible for. Can’t sacrifice the team for one player it never works. Sure. It's defnitely Hobbs fault first and foremost. But there's more at play. Mark has a (supposed) 0 tolerance domestic violence policy. That's an organizational thing. Where is the response for a DUI. What have the staff/organization done to prevent this from happening more often? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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