LieutenantGains Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 Question: In your opinion, what are the 10 greatest offenses of all time? (can include pre 1994 teams also) Points Per Drive 2007 Patriots - 3.37 2018 Chiefs - 3.25 2018 Saints - 3.21 2016 Falcons - 3.06 2011 Packers - 3.05 2011 Saints - 2.98 2013 Broncos - 2.98 2004 Colts - 2.93 1998 Vikings - 2.92 2010 Patriots - 2.90 2000 Rams - 2.85 2012 Patriots - 2.82 1994 49ers - 2.64 1998 Broncos - 2.62 Yards Per Drive 2011 Saints - 42.44 2007 Patriots - 41.63 2018 Chiefs - 41.53 2016 Falcons - 40.53 2018 Saints - 39.89 2004 Colts - 39.83 2011 Packers 39.43 2012 Patriots - 39.27 2000 Rams - 38.67 2013 Broncos - 38.22 1998 Vikings - 36.26 2010 Patriots - 36.11 1994 49ers - 34.42 1998 Broncos - 32.43 Offensive DVOA 2007 Patriots - 43.5% 2010 Patriots - 42.2% 1998 Broncos - 34.5% 2018 Chiefs - 34.2% 2011 Packers - 33.8% 2013 Broncos 33.5% 2011 Saints - 33.0% 2004 Colts - 31.8% 2012 Patriots - 30.8% 2000 Rams - 26.7% 2016 Falcons - 24.6% 1998 Vikings - 23.6% 1994 49ers - 18.9% 2018 Saints - 15.9% Passing DVOA 2007 Patriots - 72.7% 2004 Colts - 67.6% 2011 Packers - 67.6% 2010 Patriots - 67.5% 2018 Chiefs - 63.0% 2013 Broncos - 60.3% 2012 Patriots - 53.9% 1998 Broncos - 52.5% 1998 Vikings - 51.6% 2016 Falcons - 50.8% 2011 Saints - 50.1% 2018 Saints - 34.4% 2000 Rams - 32.6% N/A 1994 49ers Rushing DVOA 2000 Rams - 36.5% 1998 Broncos - 31.4% 2010 Patriots 24.2% 2007 Patriots - 19.6% 2011 Saints - 18.5% 2012 Patriots - 11.9% 2018 Chiefs 10.9% 1998 Vikings - 7.6% 2011 Packers - 5.5% 2004 Colts - 5.2% 2013 Broncos - 4.2% 2016 Falcons - 3.6% 2018 Saints - 3.3% N/A 1994 49ers Scoring % 2007 Patriots - 57.0% 2018 Saints - 56.9% 2016 Falcons - 55.8% 2018 Chiefs 55.2% 2011 Saints - 52.6% 2011 Packers - 51.8% 1998 Vikings - 51.4% 2013 Broncos - 51.1% 2010 Patriots - 51.0% 2004 Colts - 49.1% 2012 Patriots - 48.4% 2000 Rams - 46.8% 1998 Broncos - 41.7% N/A 1994 49ers Touchdown % 2007 Patriots - 43.7% 2018 Chiefs - 40.5% 2018 Saints - 38.6% 2013 Broncos - 37.9% 2011 Packers - 37.6% 2004 Colts - 37.1% 2010 Patriots - 36.9% 2011 Saints - 36.3% 2016 Falcons - 35.2% 2000 Rams - 34.0% 2012 Patriots - 32.8% N/A 1998 Vikings N/A 1998 Broncos N/A 1994 49ers Turnover % 2010 Patriots - 5.7% 2016 Falcons - 6.7% 2011 Packers - 7.1% 2007 Patriots - 8.9% 2012 Patriots - 9.0% 1998 Broncos - 9.9% 2004 Colts - 10.2% 1998 Vikings - 10.5% 2018 Saints - 10.7% 2018 Chiefs - 10.7% 2011 Saints - 11.1% 2013 Broncos - 11.1% 2000 Rams - 17.0% N/A 1994 49ers Total Yards 2011 Saints - 7,474 2013 Broncos - 7,317 2000 Rams - 7,075 2012 Patriots - 6,846 2018 Chiefs - 6,810 2016 Falcons 6,653 2007 Patriots - 6,580 2011 Packers - 6,482 2004 Colts - 6,475 1998 Vikings - 6,264 1998 Broncos - 6,092 2018 Saints - 6,067 1994 49ers - 6,060 2010 Patriots - 5,820 Passing Yards 2013 Broncos - 5,444 2011 Saints - 5,347 2000 Rams - 5,232 2018 Chiefs 4,955 2011 Packers - 4,924 2007 Patriots - 4,731 2016 Falcons - 4,725 2012 Patriots - 4,662 2004 Colts - 4,623 1998 Vikings - 4,328 1994 49ers - 4,163 2018 Saints - 4,042 2010 Patriots - 3,847 1998 Broncos - 3,624 Rushing Yards 1998 Broncos - 2,468 2012 Patriots - 2,184 2011 Saints - 2,127 2018 Saints - 2,025 2010 Patriots - 1,973 1998 Vikings - 1,936 2016 Falcons - 1,928 1994 49ers - 1,897 2013 Broncos 1,873 2018 Chiefs - 1,855 2004 Colts - 1,852 2007 Patriots - 1,849 2000 Rams- 1,843 2011 Packers - 1,558 Yards Per Play 2000 Rams - 7.0 2018 Chiefs - 6.8 2016 Falcons - 6.7 2011 Saints - 6.7 2004 Colts - 6.7 2011 Packers - 6.5 2013 Broncos - 6.3 2007 Patriots - 6.2 1998 Vikings - 6.2 2018 Saints - 6.0 2010 Patriots - 5.9 1998 Broncos - 5.9 1994 49ers - 5.8 2012 Patriots - 5.7 Drive Success Rate 2007 Patriots - .812 2018 Chiefs - .798 2018 Saints - .797 2011 Saints - .788 2012 Patriots - .787 2004 Colts - .783 2013 Broncos - .782 2016 Falcons .778 2011 Packers - .771 2010 Patriots - .767 2000 Rams - .765 1994 49ers - .755 1998 Vikings - .742 1998 Broncos .735 First Downs 2012 Patriots - 444 2013 Broncos - 435 2011 Saints - 416 2007 Patriots - 393 2018 Chiefs - 384 2000 Rams - 380 2004 Colts - 379 2016 Falcons - 379 2018 Saints - 377 1994 49ers - 362 2011 Packers - 353 1998 Broncos - 347 2010 Patriots - 335 1998 Vikings -335 3rd Down Conversion % 2011 Saints - 56.7% 1998 Vikings - 51.4% 1994 49ers - 51.0% 2012 Patriots - 48.7% 2007 Patriots - 48.2% 2010 Patriots - 48.2% 2011 Packers - 48.1% 2000 Rams - 47.5% 2018 Chiefs - 47.2% 2013 Broncos - 46.3% 2018 Saints - 44.6% 1998 Broncos - 43.0% 2004 Colts 42.7% 2016 Falcons - 42.1% Total Offensive Touchdowns 2013 Broncos - 71 2007 Patriots - 67 2018 Chiefs - 66 2000 Rams - 63 2011 Packers - 63 2011 Saints - 62 2004 Colts - 61 1994 49ers - 60 2012 Patriots - 59 2018 Saints - 59 2016 Falcons - 58 1998 Vikings - 58 1998 Broncos - 58 2010 Patriots - 56 Passing Touchdowns 2013 Broncos - 55 2004 Colts - 51 2011 Packers - 51 2007 Patriots - 50 2018 Chiefs - 50 2011 Saints - 46 1998 Vikings - 41 2016 Falcons - 38 2010 Patriots - 37 1994 49ers - 37 2000 Rams - 37 2012 Patriots - 34 2018 Saints - 33 1998 Broncos - 32 Rushing Touchdowns 1998 Broncos - 26 2000 Rams - 26 2018 Saints - 26 2012 Patriots - 25 1994 49ers - 23 2016 Falcons - 20 2010 Patriots - 19 2007 Patriots - 17 1998 Vikings - 17 2013 Broncos - 16 2011 Saints - 16 2018 Chiefs - 16 2011 Packers - 12 2004 Colts - 10 Average Defense Faced 2010 Patriots - 13.2 1998 Broncos - 13.3 2012 Patriots - 14.2 2018 Chiefs - 16.1 2007 Patriots - 17.1 2016 Falcons - 17.5 2013 Broncos - 17.8 2004 Colts - 18.1 1998 Vikings - 18.5 2000 Rams - 18.6 1994 49ers - 19.0 2018 Saints - 20.3 2011 Packers - 21.0 2011 Saints - 21.1 Top 10 Defenses Faced 2010 Patriots - 7 2012 Patriots - 7 1998 Broncos - 7 2018 Chiefs - 6 2007 Patriots - 5 2013 Broncos - 5 2004 Colts - 4 2016 Falcons - 4 1994 49ers - 4 1998 Vikings - 3 2000 Rams - 3 2011 Packers - 2 2011 Saints - 2 2018 Saints - 2 Schedule 2010 Patriots - -4.7% 1998 Broncos - -3.4% 2016 Falcons - -2.2% 2012 Patriots - -2.1% 2018 Chiefs - -0.9% 2007 Patriots - -0.6% 2004 Colts - 1.6% 2011 Packers - 1.7% 2011 Saints - 1.9% 1994 49ers - 2.9% 1998 Vikings - 3.0% 2000 Rams - 3.4% 2018 Saints - 3.4% 2013 Broncos - 4.2% Dome Games 2018 Chiefs - 0 2012 Patriots - 0 2010 Patriots - 1 1998 Broncos - 1 2007 Patriots - 2 2013 Broncos - 3 2011 Packers - 3 1994 49ers - 4 2016 Falcons - 9 1998 Vikings - 10 2000 Rams - 10 2004 Colts - 10 2011 Saints - 11 2018 Saints - 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlowe22 Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 2011 Saints were also 55.7% on third conversions. I think it’s still the record, but I could be wrong. Also worth mentioning, the defense was next to dead last in takeaways that year with only 16. Part of the reason for the insane amount of yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LieutenantGains Posted January 1, 2019 Author Share Posted January 1, 2019 Updated with 3rd down conversion % Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlNFL19 Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 I think you have to give the No. 1 spot to the 2007 Patriots, looking where they rank in all those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 Judging by the above, it's 2007 Pats and not particularly close. They don't appear outside of the top 5 on many of those metrics at all. From memory, 07 Pats 11 Saints 16 Falcons 13 Broncos maybe 18 Chiefs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malik Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 98 Broncos were the only ones that one the Championship oddly enough. 07 Pats and 13 Broncos both went and had terrible offensive efforts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
game3525 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 I wonder what is the best stretch for a team offensively? I would bet it would have to be the Pats from 2010-2012 or Niners from the late 80s early 90s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Malik said: 98 Broncos were the only ones that one the Championship oddly enough. 07 Pats and 13 Broncos both went and had terrible offensive efforts. The 94 49ers won the super bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
game3525 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 21 minutes ago, Forge said: The 94 49ers won the super bowl. The best team money can buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LieutenantGains Posted January 2, 2019 Author Share Posted January 2, 2019 18 minutes ago, game3525 said: I wonder what is the best stretch for a team offensively? I would bet it would have to be the Pats from 2010-2012 or Niners from the late 80s early 90s. 1999-2001 Rams 2.65 PPD .747 DSR 21.6% DVOA 36.2% Passing DVOA 20.8% Rushing DVOA 6.7 Yards Per Play 20,177 Total Yards 1,072 First Downs 175 Touchdowns 116 Passing Touchdowns 59 Rushing Touchdowns 34.1% Touchdown 19.1% Turnover 31 Dome Games 2010-2012 Patriots 2.83 PPD .776 DSR 34.9% DVOA 58.9% Passing DVOA 16.2% Rushing DVOA 19,514 Total Yards 1,178 First Downs 172 Touchdowns 110 Passing Touchdowns 62 Rushing Touchdowns 35.1% Touchdown 8.1% Turnover 1 Dome Game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingsrule Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Hard for me not to pick the 1998 Vikings. They didn't win the super bowl that year but they played in an era that was much harder for offenses. Many of the offenses in this list were post 2003, the 1998 Vikings were not. They had HOF WRs in Moss and Carter. Jake Reed was solid too. The OL was tremendous and so was Robert Smith. Defenses couldn't stop rookie Moss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
braylon Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Both the eyeball test and the stats say it was 2007 Pats for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFLExpert49 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Impossible to say based on how different the eras were. Then there's the question of system vs. talent responsible...dome vs. outdoors (in bad weather)...and strength of schedule (particularly, the quality of the defenses for each team's opponents). The 1998 Vikings didn't have the QB part, but Randy Moss by himself was essentially Michael Jordan in the 80s. What he did to the Packers on MNF that year at Lambeau was the greatest offensive performance I have ever seen. NOBODY did something like that, to those Packers, in that situation. Nobody had any idea how to defend Moss for a year...it was like an alien had invaded. Then you add Cris Carter and Robert Smith...I don't think the dome mattered too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0LTSFAN4L1F3 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 I had compiled offensive statistics numbers prior to this season, since there's no list of actual raw scoring production anywhere on the internet. I use the total points to rank them, and give the corresponding efficiency points. Frankly, to me, it is obvious that the 07' Patriots were the greatest offense of all time by far. 1. 13' Broncos 578 points(on 192 drives for 3.01 points per drive) 2. 07' Patriots 533 points(on 158 drives for 3.37 points per drive) 3. 11' Saints 519 points(on 182 drives for 2.98 points per drive) 4. 98 Vikings 514 points(on 175 drives for 2.94 points per drive) 5. 83' Skins 513 points 6. 00' Rams 512 points(on 180 drives for 2.84 points per drive) 7. 11' Packers 511 points(on 168 drives for 3.04 points per drive) 8. 16' Falcons 505 points(on 166 drives for 3.06 points per drive) 8. 12' Patriots 501 points(on 180 drives for 2.78 points per drive) 9. 04' Colts 494 points(on 166 drives for 2.98 points per drive) 10. 84' Dolphins 491 points 11. 11' Patriots 485 points(on 173 drives for 2.80 points per drive) 12. 98 Broncos 473 points(on 184 drives for 2.57 points per drive) 13. 98' 49ers 472 points(on 195 drives for 2.42 points per drive) 14. 81' Chargers 471 points 15. 01' Rams 468 points(on 176 drives for 2.66 points per drive) Of those teams, the 13' Broncos, the 07' Patriots, 83 Skins, 16' Falcons, 84' Dolphins, 01' Rams, 11' Patriots, all went to the Super Bowl, and every single one of them lost. The only one of these teams that went and won, was the 1998 Broncos. These all-time great offenses are 1-7 in Super Bowls. Now, none of this includes the ridiculously stupidly large offensive season of last season. Here are the numbers for the top offenses of this season: 18' Chiefs: 530 points(on 163 drives for 3.25 points per drive) 18' Rams: 499 points(on 175 drives for 2.85 points per drive) 18' Saints: 497 points(on 155 drives for 3.21 points per drive) Those offenses would rank 3rd, 10th and 11th on the all-time scoring rankings. And the Saints are one of the most efficient offenses of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x0x Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Stats often missing is peer to peer comparisons. 2007 Patriots faced 6 of 11 playoff teams in the regular season. They would face a 7th different team in the playoffs. Of the 10 other regular season opponents, one was 10-6 (but missed the playoffs), one was 8-8 and three were 7-9. Now, in fairness, the remaining 5 opponents were pretty bad but 4 comprised of 2 teams in division. Overall that regular season schedule is one of the hardest in NFL history, legitimately. And as noted, the only way they could have faced more good teams was in division and their in division opponents lost 2 games because of them directly. I mean, the 7-9 Bills are a loser because they lose to the Patriots twice, the 4-12 Jets lost an OT game by a field goal, another by 3 and another by 4, so I'm not saying they were a good team but not your typical 4-12 squad. The only truly bad team were the hapless Dolphins that went 1-15. Even the 5-11 Ravens that nearly beat the Pats lost two OT games that year. And the Pats went 16-0. Then they lose the Super Bowl because they showed all their cards to their opponent 4 weeks earlier more than less. By a late TD and 4 points. I don't think any team will come close to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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