NightTrainLane Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 (edited) On 3/16/2019 at 10:52 AM, drfrey13 said: If Carr has another year like the last two good luck getting a late 1st for him. Probably a 2nd or 3rd. If he get back his winning ways then he would be worth multiple 1st round picks. Carr's value is up in the air right now and we are taking a risk by keeping him. I think it is the right decision but still a risk. I think it is the same situation as Mack though that if we did trade him for the 13th pick it would be like trading Carr for Lock at 13, signing Houston, and Ansah. You would have to take into account whether he is playing up to his contract the same way a team trading for him would offer less because they are taking on a big contract while not knowing which version they are going to get. On a Carr side note I did not realize Carr had 11 fumbles. That is a bad sign for a player that knows pressure is coming and still does not take care of the ball. Hopefully he just had an unlucky year in that regard but 21 TO is to much. We get that under control and create a few TO on defense and we should be a much better team. Our line changes already should cut our sacks by almost half and Carr should be able to get his TO number back in the 10-15 range. That alone would put us in the 8 win range and if Carr can execute the offense we are on our way back. Need to hit on our D draft picks though. Yeah I agree. about the draft picks and Carr value. I was surprised about that fumble # as well. Had a bit of time this morning so I did a deep dive into every fumble he had this year. And here are my findings with youtube clips of each play. Wk 6 Sea 1st qtr - Frank Clark strip - Miller's faulthttps://youtu.be/K4RRNGwPyyE?t=56 3rd qtr - Frank Clark strip - Miller's faulthttps://youtu.be/K4RRNGwPyyE?t=193 Week 9 SF 3rd qtr - Watson sack - KO's faulthttps://youtu.be/pTJgDJTTKGM?t=301 3rd qtr - incomplete pass. Not fumblehttps://youtu.be/g66AFo8kRvg?t=4676 Week 11 LAC 2nd qtr - Ingram sack - KO's fault - Carr ball security could've been betterhttps://youtu.be/rQubXyaeCEc?t=120 Week 12 Bal 4th qtr - Judon strip - Carr held ball for 2 secs waiting for deep route to develop and stepped up - Parker allowed backside pressure - Good play by Judonhttps://youtu.be/IaD5mDFZizo?t=455 Week 13 KC 3rd qtr - Dee Ford strip - Carr goes thru 1st and 2nd target progression, holds ball for 2-3secs. Parker allowed backside pressure. Strip sack.https://youtu.be/S_7CMcc_GfY?t=365 Week 14 Pitt 3rd qtr - Decent pocket for 2 secs. Carr evades interior rush. Ball slips from his hand on pass att.https://youtu.be/4KrwjRRYnEg?t=399 Week 15 Cin 1st qtr - Parker gets straight up beat and Carr is blasted. Fumblehttps://youtu.be/IlWOeg8xAVI?t=2 Week 16 Den 1st qtr - Bad snap. Carr falls to cover it. Maybe could have scooped it and kept play but was smart and kept possession for sure.https://youtu.be/JZy99SREY7k?t=1049 Week 17 KC 2nd qtr - Just great play by Houston. Maybe Parker can push him out further, Maybe Carr can step up a bit but the play is made by Houston's effort and skill.https://youtu.be/agLoUS3sFr4?t=1729 3rd qtr - Carr had no shot. Tried to step up and gather but had no room or time.https://youtu.be/agLoUS3sFr4?t=4218 I agree with your assessment that these oline changes should cut this sack # down a bunch. Parker, Miller and KO all gave up pressures that led to many of these strips. Carr had a few that he could have tucked better or stepped up and one that wasn't even a fumble. But the common thing I noticed while going though the games was Carr having 2sec to get rid of most passes before he has someone on him or no room to step into a throw. I also saw a ton of times where Carr evades the rush in the pocket despite what some may claim. The offense really stops and starts with good oline protection and this year was well below average 60% of the time and that is enough to destroy games. Edited March 17, 2019 by NightTrainLane 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 I wouldn't trade DC for anything less than a top 5 pick and another first. And I wouldn't trade him until the year Trevor Lawrence was being drafted. I'd make sure we had the capital to easily move up to first overall. By the time T. Lawrence does enter the draft, we better have a good team ready for him. Other than him, I don't see anyone else I want. If it aint T. Lawrence, I don't want it. But even then, I doubt the team picking first overall passes on T. Lawrence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonGruber Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Cheapshot aside to TreDavious White ( goonish and dirty). Gonna miss Gronk loved watching him play sundays wonder if he ends up in the Squared circle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 On 3/17/2019 at 1:03 PM, Jerry said: I wouldn't trade DC for anything less than a top 5 pick and another first. And I wouldn't trade him until the year Trevor Lawrence was being drafted. I'd make sure we had the capital to easily move up to first overall. By the time T. Lawrence does enter the draft, we better have a good team ready for him. Other than him, I don't see anyone else I want. If it aint T. Lawrence, I don't want it. But even then, I doubt the team picking first overall passes on T. Lawrence. A top 5 pick and another #1 will never happened for Derek Carr at this state. He isn't that good. The only QB that can warrant that type of compensation is Luck, Wilson or Rodgers or Mahomes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 3 hours ago, bucksavage1 said: A top 5 pick and another #1 will never happened for Derek Carr at this state. He isn't that good. The only QB that can warrant that type of compensation is Luck, Wilson or Rodgers or Mahomes. I'm just trying to make the point that I wouldn't trade him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agarcia34 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Packers and Bears opening the season on September 5th. Cant remember the last time the defending champions didn’t open the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chali21 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 39 minutes ago, agarcia34 said: Packers and Bears opening the season on September 5th. Cant remember the last time the defending champions didn’t open the season. I’d rather see this than the patriots again. New look GB offense and bears defense without fangio. Plenty interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 33 minutes ago, Chali21 said: I’d rather see this than the patriots again. New look GB offense and bears defense without fangio. Plenty interesting. I hope the Bears go 2-14. They're slowly becoming the team I hate the most outside of the AFC West and Patriots. I recently saw a bunch of Bears fans talking smack about how they completely won the Mack trade. Them getting us the first overall pick this year would be solid freaking gold. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaidersAreOne Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Just now, Jerry said: I hope the Bears go 2-14. They're slowly becoming the team I hate the most outside of the AFC West and Patriots. I recently saw a bunch of Bears fans talking smack about how they completely won the Mack trade. Them getting us the first overall pick this year would be solid freaking gold. They'll take a step back next year, but they'll still make the playoffs imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, RaidersAreOne said: They'll take a step back next year, but they'll still make the playoffs imo. I agree. I still hope everything stacks against them and they get us a top 5 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agarcia34 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 I just hate the Bears cause we still get another first round pick from them. After that, I could care less about them. Bears had an easy schedule last year. They play such a harder schedule this year. Will need Mitch to play a lot better to even get close to last years success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaidersAreOne Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Losing Fangio is going to be a bigger loss than a lot of their fans expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, RaidersAreOne said: Losing Fangio is going to be a bigger loss than a lot of their fans expect. Bears will regress this year without their DC and without their first two picks. Which is good for us considering we hold their first. Could still see a 10 win team wildcard season though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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