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1 hour ago, candyman93 said:

James Campen is such a major pickup for us. I’m still thrilled over that.

They got one of the best pass blocking OL coaches in the business, grabbed one of the best passing concept OCs in the league. They are gonnna tailor make this offense to baker to a freaking tee. I am so excited they are going to try and and incorporate a lot of things he did at Oklahoma. ‘18 season isn’t over yet but I’m dying for ‘19 season to start. Damn I wish this was the year on Hardknocks. 

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This whole Steve Wilks Zone Defense thing is one of those hilarious things that has taken on its own life.

He may turn out to be a trash defensive coach here, but the reasons people are citing "Zone this... Zone that" are wild.

We has football fans and consumers have to be careful not to let certain narratives spin out of control.

It's one thing if a person just doesn't believe in his track record of successfully coaching defense... that's fine, but it's an entirely different thing to assume "Steve Wilks play zone so now Denzel Ward is primarily a Zone CB."

People do understand that "Zone" defense doesn't mean that "Every player on the field plays zone." In fact, in most "Zone's" now days the CBs are matched to various roles so the Boundary or the Trail CB plays Man (Ward for example) while the Nickel and Opposite Boundary CBs play zone.

In Carolina, the 5 under w/ 2 Zone Safeties was a common base call. That is exactly how they played Josh Norman and James Bradberry in that Norman and now Bradberry in that role are in man on the boundary while the safeties zone over top, the LBs man-zone-spy with Kuechly able to free will zone and spy while the other 2 LBs man-zone, the opposite boundary and/or nickel CB then plays man or zone based on the look and cue reading presented pre-snap, via game plan specifics, or more often than not the MLB (Kuechly) call..

Again ... 12.5 sacks for player A is not the same as 12.5 sacks for player B....the context of play tells the viewer what's really going on.

The same can be said about "Zone" Defense. Carolina's Zone calls and combo calls are not the same as Gregg Williams' Zone and combo calls and both Wilks and Gregg's Zone calls aren't the same as others.

Here's some of Wilks comments about how he "laughs" when he hears coaches talk about scheme this or scheme that and not adapt to players. He's being generalized as doing such in Arizona by transitioning from 34 to 43 in ways that made them really good in the pass game but poor in the run game. It's a little more complex than people are making it.

 

 

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16 minutes ago, buno67 said:

They got one of the best pass blocking OL coaches in the business, grabbed one of the best passing concept OCs in the league. They are gonnna tailor make this offense to baker to a freaking tee. I am so excited they are going to try and and incorporate a lot of things he did at Oklahoma. ‘18 season isn’t over yet but I’m dying for ‘19 season to start. Damn I wish this was the year on Hardknocks. 

If we add another playmaker, Baker is going to have a monster year next year.

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7 minutes ago, Mind Character said:

This whole Steve Wilks Zone Defense thing is one of those hilarious things that has taken on its own life.

He may turn out to be a trash defensive coach here, but the reasons people are citing "Zone this... Zone that" are wild.

We has football fans and consumers have to be careful not to let certain narratives spin out of control.

It's one thing if a person just doesn't believe in his track record of successfully coaching defense... that's fine, but it's an entirely different thing to assume "Steve Wilks play zone so now Denzel Ward is primarily a Zone CB."

People do understand that "Zone" defense doesn't mean that "Every player on the field plays zone." In fact, in most "Zone's" now days the CBs are matched to various roles so the Boundary or the Trail CB plays Man (Ward for example) while the Nickel and Opposite Boundary CBs play zone.

In Carolina, the 5 under w/ 2 Zone Safeties was a common base call. That is exactly how they played Josh Norman and James Bradberry in that Norman and now Bradberry in that role are in man on the boundary while the safeties zone over top, the LBs man-zone-spy with Kuechly able to free will zone and spy while the other 2 LBs man-zone, the opposite boundary and/or nickel CB then plays man or zone based on the look and cue reading presented pre-snap, via game plan specifics, or more often than not the MLB (Kuechly) call..

Again ... 12.5 sacks for player A is not the same as 12.5 sacks for player B....the context of play tells the viewer what's really going on.

The same can be said about "Zone" Defense. Carolina's Zone calls and combo calls are not the same as Gregg Williams' Zone and combo calls and both Wilks and Gregg's Zone calls aren't the same as others.

Here's some of Wilks comments about how he "laughs" when he hears coaches talk about scheme this or scheme that and not adapt to players. He's being generalized as doing such in Arizona by transitioning from 34 to 43 in ways that made them really good in the pass game but poor in the run game. It's a little more complex than people are making it.

 

 

Well freaking said!!!

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8 minutes ago, Mind Character said:

This whole Steve Wilks Zone Defense thing is one of those hilarious things that has taken on its own life.

He may turn out to be a trash defensive coach here, but the reasons people are citing "Zone this... Zone that" are wild.

We has football fans and consumers have to be careful not to let certain narratives spin out of control.

It's one thing if a person just doesn't believe in his track record of successfully coaching defense... that's fine, but it's an entirely different thing to assume "Steve Wilks play zone so now Denzel Ward is primarily a Zone CB."

People do understand that "Zone" defense doesn't mean that "Every player on the field plays zone." In fact, in most "Zone's" now days the CBs are matched to various roles so the Boundary or the Trail CB plays Man (Ward for example) while the Nickel and Opposite Boundary CBs play zone.

In Carolina, the 5 under w/ 2 Zone Safeties was a common base call. That is exactly how they played Josh Norman and James Bradberry in that Norman and now Bradberry in that role are in man on the boundary while the safeties zone over top, the LBs man-zone-spy with Kuechly able to free will zone and spy while the other 2 LBs man-zone, the opposite boundary and/or nickel CB then plays man or zone based on the look and cue reading presented pre-snap, via game plan specifics, or more often than not the MLB (Kuechly) call..

Again ... 12.5 sacks for player A is not the same as 12.5 sacks for player B....the context of play tells the viewer what's really going on.

The same can be said about "Zone" Defense. Carolina's Zone calls and combo calls are not the same as Gregg Williams' Zone and combo calls and both Wilks and Gregg's Zone calls aren't the same as others.

Here's some of Wilks comments about how he "laughs" when he hears coaches talk about scheme this or scheme that and not adapt to players. He's being generalized as doing such in Arizona by transitioning from 34 to 43 in ways that made them really good in the pass game but poor in the run game. It's a little more complex than people are making it.

 

 

It’s not unreasonable to believe we will have to find a few players at certain positions to fit his scheme. 

Only a couple have been screaming about ward. 

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@Mind Character

A lot of coaches say the same BS and do something different 

All Haley and Hue said last year is coaching to the players strengths 

we all see how that turned out 

a lot of coaches say that 

but only a few actually do 

people are creatures of habit and stick to what worked in the past 

he’s also the dude that signed Sam Bradford and hired Mike Mccoy 

Im skeptical of the hire right now but he was probably the best available 

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2 hours ago, brownie man said:

@Mind Character

A lot of coaches say the same BS and do something different 

All Haley and Hue said last year is coaching to the players strengths 

we all see how that turned out 

a lot of coaches say that 

but only a few actually do 

people are creatures of habit and stick to what worked in the past 

he’s also the dude that signed Sam Bradford and hired Mike Mccoy 

Im skeptical of the hire right now but he was probably the best available 

He didn’t sign bradford. That was on their GM. A GM that doesn’t really deserve a job anymore with the team. 

You act Ike McCoy was a bad hire at the time. He was a solid OC/QB coach who just didn’t workout with the cards. 

I would be pissed if he was the HC but as a DC where he is just in charge of the Def and nothing else. He is fine

 

I just find it funny that ppl believe he runs nothing but zone defenses. If he did that he could get picked apart. Pretty sure last Arizona still har a top10 passing defense. 

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Just now, LETSGOBROWNIES said:

People killing Wilks for AZ is pretty crazy, it was one year with a rookie QB.

Year one of his defense too.

Pretty crappy sample size.

At least he wasn’t rocking a box SS 25 yards from the LoS.

Yea Arizona lost their 2nd best defender and could argue their best defender because  they were too cheap to keep him but yet throw that contract at Bradford. 

 

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38 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said:

People killing Wilks for AZ is pretty crazy, it was one year with a rookie QB.

Year one of his defense too.

Pretty crappy sample size.

At least he wasn’t rocking a box SS 25 yards from the LoS.

Yep. He was attempting to change from a 3-4 to 4-3. This is why switching over is a bad idea unless you plan to keep your coach for more than one year. 

Im willing to bet he’ll be just fine here where an already established 4-3 is in place. 

I thought he went zone because he didn’t have good corners?

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