NFL owners have asked (Adam) Silver if he would be willing to switch leagues

[Fresh Prince]

If silver was able to prevent the cap raising all at once, allowing GS to even have a max contract avail then I blame him. Should've been raised over a certain amount of years.

[ramssuperbowl99]

On 2/14/2019 at 10:40 PM, candyman93 said:

Silver is a wuss who caves to players. So he’s a 180 from Goodell.

I'll actually say something serious here.

Saying Silver caves to players is one thing, but the NFL just wrote Colin Kaepernick a check that was apparently somewhere around $60-80MM. It might be a coincidence that this report came out as the settlement agreement with Kaep/Reid was being finalized, but the NFL owners are probably pretty damn furious at how this was handled and how much money it ended up costing them. Goodell is an easy scapegoat for that anger.

[Nabbs4u]

3 hours ago, ramssuperbowl99 said:

I'll actually say something serious here.

Saying Silver caves to players is one thing, but the NFL just wrote Colin Kaepernick a check that was apparently somewhere around $60-80MM. It might be a coincidence that this report came out as the settlement agreement with Kaep/Reid was being finalized, but the NFL owners are probably pretty damn furious at how this was handled and how much money it ended up costing them. Goodell is an easy scapegoat for that anger.

Why would owners who intentionally chose to blackball both (did occur), blame Goodell for their Stupidity in the first place? Goodell is a mouth piece who serves the Owners,  not the other way around. The only ones to blame, is themselves for assuming nothing of consequence would occur.

Them paying whatever amount is no different IMO then the CTE/Concusion case they settle out of court as well to make it go away. Go away before a long dragged out court case stringing all their dirty laundry eventually gets out to the masses costing the NFL 10x the amount and bad publicity. 

Silver is a Joke and yes this was created to deflect the eventual settle that was coming. Owners except for a select few (cry baby Jerry among those few) love Goodell and their absurd profits since he's been hired!!

Let's not get it twisted 

 

[AkronsWitness]

On 2/15/2019 at 1:01 PM, BayRaider said:

And forcing a guy to sell when that whole thing was staged for him to do precisely that was the right move?

Silver will cave to any media and/or player pressure 100% of the time. 

Not to mention he spearheaded the 'new NBA' rules that has turned a lot of traditional NBA fans off. Hes been on record that they wanted to implement rules that basically turn the NBA into a offense only league that results in high scoring games to keep the attention of younger fans and make it 'cool'.

Hard pass, I want nothing to do with the NFL being ran like the NBA.

[CWood21]

On 2/15/2019 at 5:30 PM, FinSting said:

Meanwhile NBA player salaries make the NFL look like a joke. A freakin' end-of-bench no-name guy in the NBA makes more than some actual NFL superstars. So, which of these two sports is more painful for the body? Hmmm. 

You prolly never heard of these NBA players, but look up Devin Booker ($158M contract over 5 yrs) and Paul Millsap (2 yr, $61M with $60M guaranteed). That's a lot of money, more than GOAT Tom Brady. 

Advantage: Adam Silver. 

I understand where you're trying to go with this one, but it's not really a legitimate argument since they both have different economic breakdowns.  The NFL's salary cap was set at just over $177M.  An NFL roster is comprised of 53 players, which means on average each player is receiving $3.3M.  On the other hand, the NBA salary cap is set at just over $94M with 15 players on the roster, which $5.9M per player.  There's also the nagging fact that the NBA's salary cap isn't a hard cap, and that teams are allowed to go over the cap. In fact, all but one franchise (Dallas) is currently over the salary cap.  Right now, Golden State currently owns the highest payroll at $144M.  The Colts were the team with the lowest salary cap, and they've got the the same salary as the Warriors.  We're talking about two very different economics structure.

[CWood21]

8 hours ago, ramssuperbowl99 said:

I'll actually say something serious here.

Saying Silver caves to players is one thing, but the NFL just wrote Colin Kaepernick a check that was apparently somewhere around $60-80MM. It might be a coincidence that this report came out as the settlement agreement with Kaep/Reid was being finalized, but the NFL owners are probably pretty damn furious at how this was handled and how much money it ended up costing them. Goodell is an easy scapegoat for that anger.

Honestly, I don't think it was that.  I can't imagine the retainer costs on the lawyers they're going to have to pay is going to be anywhere short of what they'd pay out as part of a settlement check.

[FinSting]

7 minutes ago, CWood21 said:

I understand where you're trying to go with this one, but it's not really a legitimate argument since they both have different economic breakdowns.  

Well yes, that's the point. The NBA pays massive millions to scrub players. The NFL pays actual superstars not so much in comparison. 

Either way, you're paying $30 for a beer and a burger. That sportzball life is expensive. 

[CWood21]

1 minute ago, FinSting said:

Well yes, that's the point. The NBA pays massive millions to scrub players. The NFL pays actual superstars not so much in comparison. 

Either way, you're paying $30 for a beer and a burger. That sportzball life is expensive. 

No.  There's only so many players you're spending on in the NBA with what is essentially a limitless cap.  In the NBA, teams are able to go above the salary cap.  In the NFL, teams can't do that.  There's more money to spend than there is to spend in the NBA, which is why NBA players are getting paid more.  In the NFL, you have 53 players you have squeeze under the salary cap.  If you spend $30M on one player in the NFL, you're squeezing your other 52 players under the $147M or whatever is left from the salary cap.  If you pay one player $30M in the NBA, you're not limited to spending on your trickle down players.

[Asciimo]

romo for commissioner you heard it here first.

[Mox]

I can't imagine anyone who wouldn't be in favor of this if it was possible. He'd be a huge breath of fresh air to a league that has shot itself in the foot for years now.

[kramxel]

So you want a guy who has made no effort in enforcing parity in his league?

What would he add to the NFL?

 

[SBLIII]

46 minutes ago, kramxel said:

So you want a guy who has made no effort in enforcing parity in his league?

What would he add to the NFL?

 

no positive aspects.

[john305]

On 2/14/2019 at 11:34 PM, footbull3196 said:

This would be a ridiculous change just for the sake of change.  I dont like Goodell either, but his contract isnt being renewed after 2023 so at least the end is somewhat in sight.  I think Silver's done an alright job so far, but it's worth noting that there is absolutely no parity in the NBA and the Warriors are just about a lock to win their 4th title in 5 years by a wide margin.  This comes after 4 straight Finals involving the same exact teams

And the NFL full of parity? New England has been in the super bowl 9 times in the last 18 years.

[whitehops]

On 2/17/2019 at 10:29 AM, Fresh Prince said:

If silver was able to prevent the cap raising all at once, allowing GS to even have a max contract avail then I blame him. Should've been raised over a certain amount of years.

during the last cba negotiations the cap explosion had already been forecast and the owners submitted a "cap smoothing" proposal. the player's association obviously declined. 

 

the nature of basketball is the reason there is little to no parity. you have five players on the court at once, and you can have the ball in your best player's hands as much as you want. they also play both sides of the ball which gives them even more chances to impact a game then say a star quarterback. there are also a lot more possessions in a game so outliers like turnovers, mistakes, etc. are mitigated (things that "underdogs" need to go in their favour to win).

 

that said, the warriors had so many timely things work in their favour for them to build the team they have:

- the warriors drafted curry 7th overall. minnesota had the two picks before them, drafted two point guards (ricky rubio and johnny flynn). rubio turned out to be serviceable and flynn was an utter bust. curry had chronic ankle issues early in his career which allowed the warriors to extend him for super cheap. he then almost immediately fixed his ankle issues and developed into an MVP-calibre player.

- they got klay thompson 11th overall two years after they drafted curry. he turned out to be the second best shooter in nba history (behind curry).

- draymond green was just a great pick but even then the warriors had never planned for him to be a huge part of their team. they had gone through some injuries so they threw him into the lineup as a "let's see what happens" type of situation and the team just took off.

- because they had extended curry for so cheap and thompson and green were still on their rookie deals they had enough space to sign kevin durant, who happened to want to leave his team.

 

silver has done a great job since he has taken over but the nba and nfl isn't exactly comparing apples to apples. 

 

EDIT: also the rule changes in the nba are similar to the nfl. less physicality and more "skill-based", combined with teams using analytics to find advantages. while teams have trended towards passing more in the nfl, nba teams are shooting more three pointers. 

[CWood21]

2 hours ago, kramxel said:

So you want a guy who has made no effort in enforcing parity in his league?

What would he add to the NFL?

 

In a league where there are 6-8 players who are really going to make an impact, you're not going to create parity.  The talent level in the NBA is just too watered down.