Leader Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 8 minutes ago, rcon14 said: And according to RAS database, Burns' 10-yard split is in the 99th percentile for all DEs. Watch DET draft him at 8 and we have to watch him chase AR down twice a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaireAlex Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, rcon14 said: And according to RAS database, Burns' 10-yard split is in the 99th percentile for all DEs. He's an olb, not a DE and @Cadmus hyperbole is comparing him to Miller and Mack. Absurd Landry was a second round pick where I have Burns. Finally, I went through the classes you sighted to double check. Clark's class was deep but not this deep. And I don't know anyone who says otherwise. Many say the same. I think losing Davis and Brown brought the quality down but the depth is still there. Edge I would agree is deep also, but like the DL, not great at the he top. All the edge are getting propped up to top 15 and I don't see it. That's just a difference of opinion. I don't like Burns tape. Not a fan. I just don't see Mack or Miller there. Don't get that comp at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcon14 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Just now, Leader said: Watch DET draft him at 8 and we have to watch him chase AR down twice a year. DET seems like a likely landing spot for either Burns or Oliver and it's going to hurt me so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Just now, rcon14 said: DET seems like a likely landing spot for either Burns or Oliver and it's going to hurt me so much. Bite your tongue! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcon14 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Just now, JaireAlex said: He's an olb, not a DE and @Cadmus hyperbole is comparing him to Miller and Mack. Absurd Landry was a second round pick where I have Burns. Finally, I went through the classes you sighted to double check. Clark's class was deep but not this deep. And I don't know anyone who says otherwise. Many say the same. I think losing Davis and Brown brought the quality down but the depth is still there. Edge I would agree is deep also, but like the DL, not great at the he top. All the edge are getting propped up to top 15 and I don't see it. That's just a difference of opinion. I don't like Burns tape. Not a fan. I just don't see Mack or Miller there. Don't get that comp at all. Landry fell due to medicals. Burns doesn't have knee and ankle concerns the same way Landry did. At LB, Burns 10-split ranks 98th percentile fwiw. That includes all linebackers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 18 minutes ago, rcon14 said: Burns added weight and still remained an elite athlete. Polite added weight and was garbage. Don't compare the two. I watched him run drills at the combine, at his elevated weight. He was amazing. So very smooth. Looked like a WR. Great hands, feet, hips...etc. You name the athletic trait, he's got it. Except for upper body strength. He admitted that he needs to work more on that. His power is in his legs right now and I'd rather it be that way to start. And...when I was listening to him being interviewed, he talked about adding the weight. He trained with professionals that put him on a different diet. It sounds to me like he didn't get much nutrition counseling at FSU, which kind of surprised me. Adding good weight in the NFL shouldn't be an issue for him. And we've seen that he's an elite athlete with that extra weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MantyWrestler Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 29 minutes ago, VegasDan said: Sweat played last season 30 lbs heavier than Burns. Burns put on 20 lbs for the combine. Can he keep it on during the rigors of an NFL season? How much will he lose? 5 lbs okay. 20 lbs? Not so good. Why didnt he add the weight in college? He had to know his draft stock was affected. He had to know it would help him as a player. There are questions here. I'm only making a guess as all of you are. I would love to hear from them as well, but they ain't talking. We only have 1 year to go by here, so it's really anyone's guess. I'm with you on the diverse arsenal and would consider Burns at 30. But too risky IMHO at 12. And I wouldn't take a 3rd down specialist anyway. I want a 3 down player as the Packers need some help in several areas. You don’t put on 20# in 2 months without being on something. At least not when your chiseled like Burns is. That and there are no reports of a failed test. Further, who says he was 20#’s less? Colleges don’t always update their rosters so how do you know what his real weight was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadmus Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 14 minutes ago, JaireAlex said: He's an olb, not a DE and @Cadmus hyperbole is comparing him to Miller and Mack. Absurd Landry was a second round pick where I have Burns. Finally, I went through the classes you sighted to double check. Clark's class was deep but not this deep. And I don't know anyone who says otherwise. Many say the same. I think losing Davis and Brown brought the quality down but the depth is still there. Edge I would agree is deep also, but like the DL, not great at the he top. All the edge are getting propped up to top 15 and I don't see it. That's just a difference of opinion. I don't like Burns tape. Not a fan. I just don't see Mack or Miller there. Don't get that comp at all. At no point have I ever compared Burns to Miller or Mack--nice try though (or Landry). Now it just feels like you're stuck in a corner and you're trying to throw everything at the wall to see what'll stick---well okay. I'm not going to partake in nonsensical arguments. Go check the NFL comparison I offer up in my mock. I pulled a tweet, from someone else that compared Mack and MIller's 10 yard splits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadmus Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 15 minutes ago, JaireAlex said: All the edge are getting propped up to top 15 and I don't see it. Bosa and Allen are definitely being propped up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaireAlex Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Cadmus said: Bosa and Allen are definitely being propped up. All right your Aldon Smith comp Is interesting. In fact it's the first interesting comp for Burns. You need a real plan for him and you gotta be sure about that weight of his. He may have a place but a team will have a plan for him. Just "fast edge" isn't gonna do it for me. Now if Pettine has something in mind, I could get on board. But honestly the Aldon Smith comp is the first one that is intriguing. If you have him down for a pass rush specialist and forget the idea of three down edge, it might work. But imo Pettine won't touch him unless he's a) got a special use and b) can get over his run deficiencies. I just think that's gonna be a tough sell for Pettine, but at least it makes some sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, JaireAlex said: All right your Aldon Smith comp Is interesting. In fact it's the first interesting comp for Burns. You need a real plan for him and you gotta be sure about that weight of his. He may have a place but a team will have a plan for him. Just "fast edge" isn't gonna do it for me. Now if Pettine has something in mind, I could get on board. But honestly the Aldon Smith comp is the first one that is intriguing. If you have him down for a pass rush specialist and forget the idea of three down edge, it might work. But imo Pettine won't touch him unless he's a) got a special use and b) can get over his run deficiencies. I just think that's gonna be a tough sell for Pettine, but at least it makes some sense Being a "pass-rush specialist" for his first two years until he's 24 still gets him like 400 snaps a year. Also an elite pass-rush specialist can win you a game in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgbeethree Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 MFW comparing Burns to two recent EDGE prospects with very similar size and combine #s is "absurd" but comparing him to a DE from 15 years ago who was 20lbs heavier and .2 seconds slower because they went to the same school makes sense to someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcon14 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Just now, incognito_man said: Being a "pass-rush specialist" for his first two years until he's 24 still gets him like 400 snaps a year. Also an elite pass-rush specialist can win you a game in January. The thing about the new NFL is being a pass rusher is like 90% of a EDGE's value. Your run fits... don't matter that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadmus Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 20 minutes ago, Cadmus said: Bosa and Allen are definitely being propped up. FIFY. Can't believe the sentence needed that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaireAlex Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, rcon14 said: The thing about the new NFL is being a pass rusher is like 90% of a EDGE's value. Your run fits... don't matter that much. Not to Pettine though. He thinks run is getting underrated. What he said on getting the Smiths. But there's another thing. The market for twitchy edge guys is getting ridiculous and you need to look at other ways to get pressure. That is Pettine 's game imo. The body types he seems to like are more durable for lb and more versatile. The Ravens and NE have success here too. But it begins with the bigs in the middle. You have some rush from Jones, Martinez, etc. There's a draft day savings here too. You can focus on just one premium (DL) instead of two. It just seems a more feasible way to build. Also this draft will be interesting to watch as far as OL getting premiums and more teams targeting the kinds of tackles that GB used to get cheaper, the good pass pro with average run ability. Anyways, it's a constant game of chess and hopefully Gute can get ahead of the curve on the next trend instead of following behind on the latest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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