Kiwibrown Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 1. Emphasis on high 1sts 2. Emphasis on poor decision making rather than injuries. Let's do this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted May 24, 2019 Author Share Posted May 24, 2019 Qb 1 will be jamracus russel 2007 no. 1 overall pick for Oakland. Unreal talent that was defeated by a lack of will and interest. Paid millions of dollars and is now broke. THis picks will be undisputed I am sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted May 24, 2019 Author Share Posted May 24, 2019 My second team QB nomination is johnny manzeil. 22nd pick for the browns in 2014. Not a high draft pick, rather a draft pick that got high. Some fail because they dont have it, some fail because they dont want it, that is johnny manziel. He managed to take over the reigns for a strong browns team in 2014 and really put a dagger in it with abysmal play. And really wasted some of joe Thomas' last prime years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sryan66611 Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 CB - Justin Gilbert Safety - Rahim Moore (probably worse ones) CB - Dee Millner DE/Edge - DeQuan Bowers DE/Edge - Marcus Smith OG - Danny Watkins HB - Trent Richardson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldfishwars Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 Can't think of a suitable tight end, Ebron would have been the closest before last year. They have a crazy high bust % in the 2nd round, but the 1st round guys tend to stay around a while at least. QB. JaMarcus Russell - Raiders - 1st Overall 2007 RB. Trent Richardson - Browns - 3rd Overall 2012 WR. Kevin White - Bears - 7th Overall 2015 WR. Troy Williamson - Vikings - 7th Overall 2007 WR. Justin Blackmon - Jaguars - 5th Overall 2012 TE. ? OT. Jason Smith - Rams - 2nd Overall 2009 OT. Levi Brown - Cardinals - 5th Overall 2007 OG. Jonathan Cooper - Cardinals - 7th Overall 2013 OG. Danny Watkins - Eagles - 23rd Pick 2011 C. Chris Spencer - Seahawks - 26th Pick 2005 DE. Vernon Gholston - Jets - 6th Overall 2008 DE. Gaines Adams - Buccaneers - 4th Overall 2007 DT. Amobi Okoye - Texans - 10th Overall 2007 DT. Sedrick Ellis - Saints - 7th Overall 2008 LB. Aaron Curry - Seahawks - 4th Overall 2005 LB. Rolando McClain - Raiders - 8th Overall 2010 CB. Justin Gilbert - Browns - 8th Overall 2014 CB. Dee Milliner - Jets - 9th Overall 2013 CB. Tye Hill - Rams - 15th Overall 2006 S. Matt Elam - Ravens - 32nd Overall 2013 S. Calvin Pryor - Jets - 18th Overall 2014 P BJ Sander - Packers - 87th Overall 2004 K Roberto Aguayo - Buccaneers - 59th Overall 2016 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakuvious Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 More or less stuck with first rounders, unless there weren't many standouts there (TE, for instance, has surprisingly few true busts in the first round. Some of your least productive first round TEs still spent like a decade as solid blocking options at a #2 spot.) Tried to weigh a mix of draft position and severity of bust. So a few cases where I picked low 1st round guys who did literally nothing whatsoever over higher picks who at least had a season or two of production, or maybe a long career as a backup. I'm sure I missed some obvious ones in this. My methodology wasn't perfect, and probably resulted in me giving too much credit to guys who were able to accrue stats and starts over time while being a bust, or missing guys who busted for the team that drafted them but went on to semi-successful careers later (someone like Mark Barron, for instance.) First Team: QB: Jamarcus Russell RB: Trent Richardson WR: Charles Rogers WR: R. Jay Soward TE: Richard Quinn (second rounder, but 1 catch for 9 yards for his career) OT: Jason Smith OG: Danny Watkins OC: Cameron Erving (even though he's an okay G now) OG: Jonathan Cooper OT: Derek Sherrod (lower pick, but 1 career start? Really?) DE: Vernon Gholston DT: Ryan Sims DT: Johnathan Sullivan DE: Dion Jordan OLB: Aaron Curry MLB: Rolando McClain OLB: Larry English CB: Justin Gilbert S: Matt Elam S: Karl Joseph (Maybe too soon? He still is in the league. But it doesn't sound great, from what Raider fans have told me.) CB: Dee Milliner K: Robert Aguayo (lol) P: Travis Dorsch I want to actually talk about Travis Dorsch for a moment. There are higher profile busts, or at least over-drafted players, at punter than Dorsch. B.J. Sander or Bryan Anger will definitely be guys that come to mind first. But this guy has a borderline unbreakable NFL record. The bad kind, not the good kind. If that isn't obvious. Dorsch played one career game, filling in for Nick Harris who was injured (because losing a punter to injury is just the kind of thing that would happen to the 2002 Cincinatti Bengals.) That game would be a 51 - 32 loss to the Carolina Panthers. Dorsch kicked his only 5 career punts in that game, and the results were, in order, a 37 yard punt returned for a 61 yard touchdown, a 28 yard punt for no return, a 46 yard punt returned for an 87 yard touchdown, a 41 yard punt returned for 5 yards, and a 10 yard punt with no return. Only one of these was really an even remotely acceptable result for an NFL punter. In total, this meant Dorsch had 5 punts for 162 yards, a whopping 32.4 yard average. Those 5 punts were returned for a total of 153 yards, an average of 30.6 yards per return. This means Dorsch's career net yards per punt adds up to an unbelievable 1.8 yards per punt. You're basically better off running a dive play and turning the ball over on downs than you are having Travis Dorsch punt the football for your team. Second Team: QB: David Carr RB: Trung Candidate WR: Troy Williamson WR: David Terrell (HM: Justin Blackmon) TE: Troy Niklas (I might be biased on this one because I really didn't like him as a prospect, but again, no real TEs that were clear first round busts, so here's another 2nd rounder) OT: Greg Robinson (Rams shouldn't do top 5 LTs) OG: Bruce Nelson (G was another pretty safe first round position, so we go with a terrible second rounder instead) OC: Peter Konz (another safe position in the first) OG: Toniu Fonoti (Several guys pretty close for this spot, gave Fonoti bonus points for how much hype I remember around him) OT: Ereck Flowers (HM: Chris McIntosh) DE: Jerome McDougle (Dude was bad luck in human form) DT: Justin Harrell DT: John McCargo DE: Jamal Reynolds (HM: Gaines Adams) OLB: Bobby Carpenter MLB: Jonas Mouton (MLB another pretty safe one in the first, but it's hard to do worse than 1 career tackle, even as a second rounder) OLB: Barkevious Mingo (HM: Cody Brown, taken 63rd, but never saw the field) CB: Willie Middlebrooks S: Calvin Pryor S: Ras I-Dowling (1 pick outside the first round, but more than bad enough to make up for that) CB: Rashard Anderson (HM to Stanley Jean-Baptiste, who amazingly is still on an NFL roster right now) K: Jeff Chandler P: B.J. Sander 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldfishwars Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 Man BJ Sander is an all-time name 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 (edited) QB you could make a case for 5-6 guys after Russell all deserving of 2nd team status. Russell takes the cake for sure given 1.1 status and his quick bust, but Manziel, EJ Manuel, Paxton Lynch and Brandon Weeden didn't even provide more than 1 season of starts, and in JFF/Lynch/Weeden's case, they were all gone by their 3rd year and didn't make an impact anywhere else. That's uniformly awful for any 1st round pick to not make it through their 1st contract, and be forgotten so soon.. I'm tempted to throw Jake Locker & Christian Ponder in, but at least they actually started a couple of seasons as the main guy. Edited May 24, 2019 by Broncofan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 Chance Warmack ought to be considered for a guard spot over Watkins IMO. I know Watkins busted harder, but Warmack was a top 10 pick and became a depth player. Andre Woolfolk could be a consideration at corner. That's all I got for the Titans, unless you want to throw 2nd rounder Bishop Sankey into the mix for being the first RB off the board that year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fl0nkerton Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 OT Robert Gallery OT Jason Smith OG Danny Watkins DE Dion Jordan DE Aaron Maybin OLB Vernon Gholston WR Troy Williamson WR Charles Rogers WR Justin Blackmon WR Mike Williams Just a shot at TE's, Kellen WInslow @ 6, Bubba Franks @ 14, Rickey Dudley @ 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaidersAreOne Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 6 hours ago, Jakuvious said: S: Karl Joseph (Maybe too soon? He still is in the league. But it doesn't sound great, from what Raider fans have told me.) Joseph isn't bad by any means. He hasn't been worth where we selected him, but he's a capable starter in the NFL. We most likely upgraded him with Abram but I would have been fine with rolling with him longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaidersAreOne Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 As for the rest, pretty much just look at a list of Raider picks of the past couple decades... 2000 Sebastian Janikowski PK Florida State 2001 Derrick Gibson DB Florida State 2002 Phillip Buchanon DB Miami, Napoleon Harris LB Northwestern 2003 Nnamdi Asomugha DB California, Tyler Brayton DE Colorado 2004 Robert Gallery T Iowa 2005 Fabian Washington DB Nebraska 2006 Michael Huff DB Texas 2007 JaMarcus Russell* QB LSU 2008 Darren McFadden RB Arkansas 2009 Darrius Heyward-Bey WR Maryland 2010 Rolando McClain LB Alabama 2011 — No pick — — 2012 — No pick — — 2013 D. J. Hayden DB Houston 2014 Khalil Mack LB Buffalo 2015 Amari Cooper WR Alabama 2016 Karl Joseph S West Virginia 2017 Gareon Conley CB Ohio State 2018 Kolton Miller T UCLA 2019 Clelin Ferrell DE Clemson, Josh Jacobs, RB Alabama, Johnathan Abram S Mississippi State Who could rival this list of brutalness? Browns? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elky Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 (edited) Offensive line: OT: Luke Joeckel: I was tempted to put Robert Gallery here, but at least he ended up being a decent guard. Joeckel sucked everywhere he went and the better tackle, Lane Johnson, was selected just a couple of picks later. OT: Jason Smith: Remember when everyone thought Detroit should have picked him or Aaron Curry over Stafford? OG: Danny Watkins: Being a cool story doesn't bar him from being a total dud at guard. If Andy Reid can't turn you into an at least functional offensive lineman, you have problems. OG: Jonathan Cooper: Sad the way things went for him, but injuries doesn't excuse busting on a guard picked in the top 10. C: Cameron Erving: Has turned into a not horrible guard, but he was an absolutely disaster at center. One of the biggest lowlights of the failed Farmer era. Edited May 24, 2019 by Elky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanedorf Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 7 hours ago, goldfishwars said: Man BJ Sander is an all-time name Impressed that you dug that one out And GB traded UP to get him at pick # 87 because the HC/GM Mike Sherman was worried about somebody jumping in front of him for Sanders... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBLIII Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 1 hour ago, RaidersAreOne said: As for the rest, pretty much just look at a list of Raider picks of the past couple decades... 2000 Sebastian Janikowski PK Florida State 2001 Derrick Gibson DB Florida State 2002 Phillip Buchanon DB Miami, Napoleon Harris LB Northwestern 2003 Nnamdi Asomugha DB California, Tyler Brayton DE Colorado 2004 Robert Gallery T Iowa 2005 Fabian Washington DB Nebraska 2006 Michael Huff DB Texas 2007 JaMarcus Russell* QB LSU 2008 Darren McFadden RB Arkansas 2009 Darrius Heyward-Bey WR Maryland 2010 Rolando McClain LB Alabama 2011 — No pick — — 2012 — No pick — — 2013 D. J. Hayden DB Houston 2014 Khalil Mack LB Buffalo 2015 Amari Cooper WR Alabama 2016 Karl Joseph S West Virginia 2017 Gareon Conley CB Ohio State 2018 Kolton Miller T UCLA 2019 Clelin Ferrell DE Clemson, Josh Jacobs, RB Alabama, Johnathan Abram S Mississippi State Who could rival this list of brutalness? Browns? Yes Browns would top 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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