beekay414 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 4 hours ago, resilient part 2 said: Anyone care to do a very early top 10 players for 2020 draft? AND does anyone really believe Melo can go #1?? I'll post my tonight probably after work. I'd give ya hint who isn't even in my top 10 but you already know who it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BStanRamFan Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 17 minutes ago, beekay414 said: From what, 2 minute highlights? He's shooting 37.5/25.0/72.3 from the field. He's MCW with vision and no defense. If you want to take that over what Edwards, Anthony or Wiseman offers, you'll find yourself on the unemployment line in 2 years. And, yes, his name is helping him. If he was some random kid over there putting up that horrific shooting line while playing no defense whatsoever, nobody would say a damn thing about him as a prospect. Before his last game, his O RTG was 105 and his PER was 16 with an eFG% below 43%. Kid isn't good. That stuff probably dropped too considering he shot bad the next game after the triple double fluke. How about comparing another 6'7 PG who played internationally to LaMelo's statline you mentioned? This is that players 2017-2018 stats. 3PT: 28% FG: 46% FT: 77% Who's the guy I'm comparing him to? Luka Doncic. His name is gaining him notoriety, whether that's positive or negative is up for debate. I say negative and you're saying positive. He's an 18 year old American playing professionally; there aren't many "random kids" doing that. They go the college rout. Sometimes it works for the better, but I think the NBA is opening it's eyes more to kids going from HS to international play or growing up overseas and playing professionally early on. He has the length and athleticism to be a great defender, he just never been told it's of importance due to his father coaching him for so long. The 3 ball can certainly improve. You can't teach his size, athleticism, or court vision. And he could still continue to grow. He's deserving of a top 5 pick. I don't know if he will go 1 overall, but I can see someone willing to take the risk on his upside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resilient part 2 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 So let me see if I get this right, lamelo is either Luca donchak level or Michael Carter-Williams level. Games can certainly change but at this point I would never take lamelo with the first pick. But we'll see as the year progresses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resilient part 2 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 56 minutes ago, beekay414 said: I'll post my tonight probably after work. I'd give ya hint who isn't even in my top 10 but you already know who it is. Will be looking forward to your top 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, BStanRamFan said: How about comparing another 6'7 PG who played internationally to LaMelo's statline you mentioned? This is that players 2017-2018 stats. 3PT: 28% FG: 46% FT: 77% Who's the guy I'm comparing him to? Luka Doncic. His name is gaining him notoriety, whether that's positive or negative is up for debate. I say negative and you're saying positive. He's an 18 year old American playing professionally; there aren't many "random kids" doing that. They go the college rout. Sometimes it works for the better, but I think the NBA is opening it's eyes more to kids going from HS to international play or growing up overseas and playing professionally early on. He has the length and athleticism to be a great defender, he just never been told it's of importance due to his father coaching him for so long. The 3 ball can certainly improve. You can't teach his size, athleticism, or court vision. And he could still continue to grow. He's deserving of a top 5 pick. I don't know if he will go 1 overall, but I can see someone willing to take the risk on his upside. Luka's also built like a brick **** house and played against far greater competition far longer with a much more dynamic skillset. Melo isn't a great athlete whatsoever. His lateral quickness and explosion is subpar. So his defensive potential is clearly limited. He's 6'5" btw, not 6'7". He's played 12 games against the NBL and shot 37.5/25.0/72.3 but yet he's supposed to be this unicorn of untapped potential despite not being able to shoot at any level in his career. He couldn't shoot in Chino Hills, he couldn't shoot in Lithuania, he couldn't shoot at Spire and now he can't shoot in Australia, yet I'm supposed to believe he's got 3pt potential? It's not like he's taking 2 3s a game and shooting poorly. He's shooting 7 per game and making 2. That's either piss poor shot selection or he simply can't shoot. His name is definitely a boost. I don't know how anyone could fight that. He's not even remotely worthy of a top 5 pick. The ONLY thing he has going for him is size and vision. Everything else is a negative. Edited December 3, 2019 by beekay414 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 Hell, I don't even know if I'd have Melo as a top 5 PG prospect in this class. Cole Anthony, Tyrese Maxey, Nico Mannion and Theo Maledon are definitely better prospects in my eyes and it's a toss up with Tyrese Haliburton for the 5th spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roger murdock Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 The question is this - can Ball beat an NBA player off the dribble? Hes obviously a very talented passer, but your upside as a passer in the NBA is limited when you can't cause chaos off the dribble for defenses. Especially if you can't shoot. If you can beat people off the dribble and hit shots and have this passing ability its a star player. Right now the shot obviously isn't there. I haven't seen much of him to know how he attacks. Its the main reason why his brothers only OK. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resilient part 2 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 52 minutes ago, beekay414 said: . The ONLY thing he has going for him is size and vision. Everything else is a negative. Technically he has a ton of hype. Some team may bite on that alone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 1. James Wiseman | C | Memphis 2. Anthony Edwards | SG | Georgia 3. Cole Anthony | PG | North Carolina 4. Isaiah Stewart | C | Washington 5. Deni Avdija | SF | Maccabi Tel Aviv 6. Nico Mannion | PG | Arizona 7. Theo Maledon | PG | Villeurbanne 8. Tyrese Maxey | G | Kentucky 9. Obi Toppin | F | Dayton 10. Jaden McDaniels | F | Washington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 1 minute ago, beekay414 said: 1. James Wiseman | C | Memphis 2. Anthony Edwards | SG | Georgia 3. Cole Anthony | PG | North Carolina 4. Isaiah Stewart | C | Washington 5. Deni Avdija | SF | Maccabi Tel Aviv 6. Nico Mannion | PG | Arizona 7. Theo Maledon | PG | Villeurbanne 8. Tyrese Maxey | G | Kentucky 9. Obi Toppin | F | Dayton 10. Jaden McDaniels | F | Washington Potential top 10 risers to watch... Josh Green | SG | Arizona - If he continues shooting well, he'll rise substantially. Jahmi'us Ramsey | SG | Texas Tech - Texas Tech always has a riser, it's just what Chris Beard does. Ramsey could sneak into the back end of the top 10 come draft night.N'Faly Dante | C | Oregon - Can't teach his size and defensive ability. Jay Scrubb | SG | Louisville - He's still a JUCO player but he's a 1st round talent. He'll go through the process before deciding whether or not to attend L'Ville. This class, outside of possibly Obi Toppin, doesn't have that Ja Morant like riser. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDez Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 40 minutes ago, beekay414 said: 1. James Wiseman | C | Memphis 2. Anthony Edwards | SG | Georgia 3. Cole Anthony | PG | North Carolina 4. Isaiah Stewart | C | Washington 5. Deni Avdija | SF | Maccabi Tel Aviv 6. Nico Mannion | PG | Arizona 7. Theo Maledon | PG | Villeurbanne 8. Tyrese Maxey | G | Kentucky 9. Obi Toppin | F | Dayton 10. Jaden McDaniels | F | Washington IMO Mannion and McDaniels too high for different reasons. Nico is great but has trouble separating and getting to the rim. McD is just so raw it’s basically a coin flip if he learns how to play the game. Good thing there’s a few international guys cause this draft looks historically weak atm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 10 minutes ago, DirtyDez said: IMO Mannion and McDaniels too high for different reasons. Nico is great but has trouble separating and getting to the rim. McD is just so raw it’s basically a coin flip if he learns how to play the game. Good thing there’s a few international guys cause this draft looks historically weak atm. I have Nico there because he'll be effective as a shooter and sets up his teammates incredibly well. Lack of a first step hurts but he can be a better shooting version of Lonzo if all ends right. McDaniels is there simply due to the intrigue with the tools. I was tempted to put Josh Green there but it's still a bit too early to do so. Scottie Lewis was another option but he'll never be able to shoot so I don't see him being anything more than a high energy defensive specialist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BStanRamFan Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 7 hours ago, beekay414 said: Potential top 10 risers to watch... Josh Green | SG | Arizona - If he continues shooting well, he'll rise substantially. Jahmi'us Ramsey | SG | Texas Tech - Texas Tech always has a riser, it's just what Chris Beard does. Ramsey could sneak into the back end of the top 10 come draft night.N'Faly Dante | C | Oregon - Can't teach his size and defensive ability. Jay Scrubb | SG | Louisville - He's still a JUCO player but he's a 1st round talent. He'll go through the process before deciding whether or not to attend L'Ville. This class, outside of possibly Obi Toppin, doesn't have that Ja Morant like riser. Where's the Myles Powell love? Guy is going to be a baller at the next level. Undersized SG, but built like a tank. I see a less athletic Eric Bledsoe. Projections are for the 2nd round, but he should pull himself into the 1st after this season and a good run in the tourney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resilient part 2 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 9 hours ago, beekay414 said: cPotential top 10 risers to watch... Josh Green | SG | Arizona - If he continues shooting well, he'll rise substantially. Jahmi'us Ramsey | SG | Texas Tech - Texas Tech always has a riser, it's just what Chris Beard does. Ramsey could sneak into the back end of the top 10 come draft night.N'Faly Dante | C | Oregon - Can't teach his size and defensive ability. Jay Scrubb | SG | Louisville - He's still a JUCO player but he's a 1st round talent. He'll go through the process before deciding whether or not to attend L'Ville. This class, outside of possibly Obi Toppin, doesn't have that Ja Morant like riser. I will using these names from both lists to start following. But Jay Scrubb has to have the worst basketball name ever. LOL. Maybe that will make him play with a chip on his shoulder though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11sanchez11 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 (edited) Onyeka Okongwu is getting crazy hype. Seen different people say he is the best big in the draft or he is better than Ayton and Bagley as prospects, etc USC freshman I haven't watched a second tho, just wanted to let y'all know to keep an eye out i guess he was on the Ball bros Chino Hills teams tho, so most people prob have seen a little of him looking him up a bit he looks like a thick bam adebayo to me, defensively at least offensively, looks more skilled Edited December 3, 2019 by 11sanchez11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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