incognito_man Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 26 minutes ago, ReadyToThump said: Damn. Nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanedorf Posted October 9, 2019 Author Share Posted October 9, 2019 (edited) A guard through his first two seasons in Green Bay, Lucas Patrick has worked as a backup center extensively in practice but hadn’t played there in a regular-season game until Sunday. A couple of wayward shotgun snaps when he was moving laterally for a reach block were fortunately snagged by Jones as he was cutting in front of Rodgers. Stenavich’s description was Patrick “torqued the ball a little bit” on those two occasions, so the timing and technique will need to be smoothed out. Edited October 9, 2019 by Shanedorf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanedorf Posted October 9, 2019 Author Share Posted October 9, 2019 from packers.com https://www.packers.com/news/packers-offensive-line-has-been-up-to-every-task Stenavich complimented Bulaga on both his consistency and his film study of opponents, showing no setbacks in preparation when his snaps have to be limited in practice. So far through five weeks he’s faced Chicago’s Khalil Mack, Minnesota’s Danielle Hunter, Denver’s Von Miller, Philadelphia’s Brandon Graham and Dallas’ DeMarcus Lawrence and hasn’t given up a sack. Rodgers has been sacked only 10 times total in five games (and one of those he took intentionally in Dallas), putting him on pace for his fewest over a full season since 2014. A big part of that low total has been Bulaga’s work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanedorf Posted October 9, 2019 Author Share Posted October 9, 2019 https://www.packers.com/news/a-pro-from-the-get-go-elgton-jenkins-not-a-typical-rookie Rookie guard Elgton Jenkins is quick to credit the two offensive linemen at his sides, center Corey Linsley and tackle David Bakhtiari, for assisting the successful beginning to his NFL career. But his linemates insist he hasn’t needed much help. So which is it? As usual, the truth lies somewhere in between. Because while Jenkins says he was asking “a hundred questions a day” in the meeting room during training camp, Linsley points out he and Bakhtiari are not bombarded with “1,000 questions at the line of scrimmage,” which helps the game-day operation run smoothly. However it’s parsed, the Packers’ transition to the rookie at left guard is off on the right foot, and the second-round draft pick from Mississippi State has made a heck of a strong first impression two starts into his NFL career. “The moment’s not too big for him,” offensive line coach Adam Stenavich said. “As soon as you throw him in there, you know he’s going to be reliable, he’s going to do the right thing. That’s the most important thing with a rookie is making sure he’s not going to (freak) out or do anything crazy. “Elgton’s on it. I think he’s earned the respect of the guys in the room just because of how he handles himself.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg C. Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 10 hours ago, ReadyToThump said: I wonder how they figure this, because it sure seems like Bryan Bulaga has been the best pass blocker on the O-line this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReadyToThump Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Greg C. said: I wonder how they figure this, because it sure seems like Bryan Bulaga has been the best pass blocker on the O-line this season. I was wondering the same exact thing. Either way, seeing these 3 in the top 5 at their positions is amazing, especially considering who they've lined up against thus far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 13 hours ago, ReadyToThump said: I"m happy to see this, no doubt. Stats kind of coincide with how PFF scores, too. Packer guards, pass block scores via PFF. Taylor=75.5. Jenkins=67.9. Turner=29.3. (16'th ranked guard is a 74. 32nd ranked guard is a 65.8) Packer tackles, pass block scores via PFF. Bulaga=74.4. Bakh=77.9. (16'th ranked tackle is a 77.3. 32nd ranked tackle is 69.7) Packer center, pass block scores via PFF. LInsley=74.8. (16th ranked center is a 66.9) Patrick doens't have many snaps, but....his score is 79..1) Bradbury is the 37'th ranked (dead last) pass blocker according to PFF. You know, the Vikings first round center. Seriously. If Turner can elevate his game, this o-line because a force. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 1 hour ago, ReadyToThump said: I was wondering the same exact thing. Either way, seeing these 3 in the top 5 at their positions is amazing, especially considering who they've lined up against thus far. I don't know what metric was used for that article, but PFF rates every play. I think from a -2 to a +2. The difference in their scores may seem like it's significant, but it could be a simple as one +2 play from Bakh and one -2 play for Bulaga. I don't know the frequency of +2's or -2's and how they are given out, but my point is that statistically, they are pretty close. Bakh started a little slowly, thinking against the Bears, but if Rodgers gets the ball out on time, maybe a sack or two doesn't happen. Not sure if that would be a 0 or -1 against Bakh if there's a sack because Rodgers is holding the ball. Recently I thought that Bakh has been simply amazing to watch. He's so quick off of the line it's like he's false starting. Only he's watching the ball and doing that initial leg kick the instant the ball moves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanedorf Posted October 9, 2019 Author Share Posted October 9, 2019 more cut ups from Ben Fennell at The Athletic OL double-teams I love brute strength/physicality at the point of attack and seeing defensive tackles get knocked back and escorted downfield. Here are two double-teams: one featuring LG Elgton Jenkins and C Lucas Patrick on DT Christian Covington, and the other with RG Billy Turner and RT Bulaga on DT Maliek Collins. https://cdn.theathletic.com/app/uploads/2019/10/08233019/5-GB-DOUBLES.mp4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 39 minutes ago, Shanedorf said: more cut ups from Ben Fennell at The Athletic OL double-teams I love brute strength/physicality at the point of attack and seeing defensive tackles get knocked back and escorted downfield. Here are two double-teams: one featuring LG Elgton Jenkins and C Lucas Patrick on DT Christian Covington, and the other with RG Billy Turner and RT Bulaga on DT Maliek Collins. https://cdn.theathletic.com/app/uploads/2019/10/08233019/5-GB-DOUBLES.mp4 While both nice blocks, neither was by definition a successful combo block. You need to get off those and find a LB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanedorf Posted October 9, 2019 Author Share Posted October 9, 2019 19 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: While both nice blocks, neither was by definition a successful combo block. You need to get off those and find a LB A little insight is welcomed: Are all double teams part of a combo block or are some just plain double teams ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Shanedorf said: A little insight is welcomed: Are all double teams part of a combo block or are some just plain double teams ? 99% are combo blocks. Short yardage stuff is where you see honest straight doubles. It just doesn't work numerically to have two blockers holding up one gap, especially when the gap isn't really open because there's a defender in it, albeit a defender who's 5 yards downfield. Look in the first one how Patrick is eyeing the Linebacker and he even comes off to block the guy, but is "late" getting off the double team so the LB/C block fills up the playside A gap? Now granted, if you carry the DT 4 yards downfield and then come off onto a LB at that depth, nobody's going to say **** to you about. In the second one, you can see how play side A and play side C are covered by both ILBs. 54 is supposed to fill play side A but he hesitates to read the play, when he hesitates, the DT gets pushed into his lap, and he doesn't want to try and get around the scrum to get back into A. Instead he jumps outside to C so you have two linebackers in C and none in A. Jones goes right through A. A better ILB reads run quicker, gets into A, or makes up for his hesitation by fighting over the scrum to get into A. But again, if you push DTs into the laps of ILBs, they make mistakes and make creases (this has been the foundational identity of every Wisconsin offense of the last 30 years). A good back helps by selling C like Jones did here, and then making his cut. Edited October 9, 2019 by AlexGreen#20 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemike778 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Patrick was fine at the whole blocking thing but maybe next time, we want to rethink calling too many Shotgun plays. Two dodgy snaps is too many really. Can laugh about it now but if he did another one and it led to a turnover costing us a game it wouldn't be quite as funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, mikemike778 said: Patrick was fine at the whole blocking thing but maybe next time, we want to rethink calling too many Shotgun plays. Two dodgy snaps is too many really. Can laugh about it now but if he did another one and it led to a turnover costing us a game it wouldn't be quite as funny. It was more than 2. Rodgers was playing ******* shortstop. Linsley shoots then at knee height enough to make me nervous, thank God Rodgers is used to it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 (edited) Aaron Jones TDs TD1 Doesn't get much more basic than a standard inside zone. Ran it against a full box too. Bulaga just kills his guy on the reach. Forces the B gap defender into the C gap and Jones just runs right off it. Jones laughed his way into the endzone. He called the lineman over as soon as he crossed the goal line. He knew what had happened. +++ TD2 Inside Zone with a counter lead. Being so close to the goal line, the Cowboys DT lined up in the B gap crashes down into the A gap. That leaves Bulaga responsible for the B Gap covered by the ILB. Lawrence is lined up off of Bulaga's outside shoulder, so Bulaga can't go right to it. That's where Graham coming across the formation comes in. He takes out Lawrence and creates a real nice crease to run through. Assuming everything goes right, Jones is supposed to have a free run to the safety. Instead, because everything is going right . . . Linsley and Jenkins have the combo block from the NT to the back side ILB. Jenkins actually is in a perfect position to pin the ILB out of the play, instead he gets beat across his face. He ends up having to take the ILB across the formation. He ends up with the pancake and this collision happens to take place right in front of the Safety who Jones was supposed to be Iso'd on. +++ You know your blocking is successful when you end up with your RB isolated on a DB in space. This is exactly what happens. Once again you're on the goal line so you've got the cowboys crashing down. Marcedes Lewis starts out play side and post snap comes across the formation to end Demarcus Lawrence's will to live. The safety that was originally over Lewis is responsible for the outside contain. MVS comes down and pins him inside. That only leaves the DB that was originally over MVS to have outside contain. he doesn't have a shot. +++ TD4 Ugly *** scrum. Not really worth breaking down. Edited October 9, 2019 by AlexGreen#20 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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