G08 Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 On 9/14/2019 at 1:21 PM, abstract_thought said: Yea, we can only hope Mitch is on a similar development path as Andy Dalton, Joe Flacco, and Cam Newton. Many of the names on that list don't even belong. Guys like Rivers, Luck, Roethlisberger, and Manning were excellent very early in their careers. Have you looked at their numbers? First two seasons rating, combined: Brady - 86 Brees - 73.1 Ryan - 84.3 McNabb - 73 Rivers - 87.2 Peyton - 80.6 Eli - 70.5 Carr - 83.7 Etc. Trubisky was at 87.7 for comparison. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G08 Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 @abstract_thought Luck was 81.5, by the way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G08 Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 It's funny to me how people's memories are so tainted by success found by these QBs later in their career. Nobody remembers the journey. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted September 16, 2019 Author Share Posted September 16, 2019 21 hours ago, G08 said: It's funny to me how people's memories are so tainted by success found by these QBs later in their career. Nobody remembers the journey. Because for every late bloomer there is 10 guys who busted out and never became that good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted September 16, 2019 Author Share Posted September 16, 2019 Week 2: Bump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nads786 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 29 minutes ago, WindyCity said: Week 2: Bump I mean what is there to say? He looks just as flat as week 1. I do think he is capable of making MUCH better than he currently is. This looks like the Balitmore game from his rookie year. Even when you fill out the scantron test randomly you get a 45% on it. This guy seems to be deliberately regressing. I expect the Redskins game to be THE game to give us insight into what he will become. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearDownTexas Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Just a thought today, but what if Nagy is just holding Trubisky back to try and build confidence. It's tough to say because there is a lot that happens that we dont see, but from all I've heard is Mitch is very hard on himself and works really hard to be the guy people around the locker room lean on. When he starts missing throws it might mess with him and Nagy might be trying to get him to have confidence in himself. Confidence is huge with just about anything. Obviously Nagy cant say that in press conferences or to the media. I could be way off, but just some food for thought. Remember too that last year we started off slow too and this season is far from over. Not putting money on this happening to the bears this year, but the giants got hot at the right time years back to ruin Bradys perfect season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinz D. Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 6 hours ago, WindyCity said: Because for every late bloomer there is 10 guys who busted out and never became that good. Well, really, no. There aren't a lot of busts who had the success Mitchell has. Let's not pretend otherwise. Mitchell could be done, but then his situation (if that IS the case) is pretty unique. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abstract_thought Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Heinz D. said: Well, really, no. There aren't a lot of busts who had the success Mitchell has. Let's not pretend otherwise. Mitchell could be done, but then his situation (if that IS the case) is pretty unique. Mitch doesn't have a lot of success though. He was pretty bad in his rookie year and pretty average last year. That's ignoring some of the advanced stats and scout takes that were pretty negative about him despite his basic stats. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinz D. Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 17 minutes ago, abstract_thought said: Mitch doesn't have a lot of success though. He was pretty bad in his rookie year and pretty average last year. That's ignoring some of the advanced stats and scout takes that were pretty negative about him despite his basic stats. Yeah. Sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB 1 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Heinz D. said: Well, really, no. There aren't a lot of busts who had the success Mitchell has. Let's not pretend otherwise. Mitchell could be done, but then his situation (if that IS the case) is pretty unique. Trubisky was not really all that good overall last year as his numbers were inflated by 2 games against Tampa Bay and Detroit last year when he threw 9 TD passes and 0 INT's in those games. In all the other games it was 15 TD's and 12 INT's which is very average. In his last 7 games he has thrown 5 TD passes to 6 INT's with a 77.7 QB rating. So in other words he is very inconsistent with a few great games sprinkled in. This offense is built around Trubisky being a top QB and so far he is not a top NFL QB. Now in his 3rd year and 2nd year with Nagy he needs to take off and be the guy he was drafted to be or the Bears will continue to be up and down offensively. Edited September 17, 2019 by TB 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB 1 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Heinz D. said: Yeah. Sure. It is true but i hope he becomes a top NFL QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted September 17, 2019 Author Share Posted September 17, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Heinz D. said: Well, really, no. There aren't a lot of busts who had the success Mitchell has. Let's not pretend otherwise. Mitchell could be done, but then his situation (if that IS the case) is pretty unique. What success? He had a very statistically average year last season and tailed off towards the end of the season. Lots of guys who weren’t good had good moments or seasons. Cutler, Flacco, Sanchez, Tannehill. Most of these guys had blips of high level play, but were never good enough to win consistently with. (Flacco SB aside.) Add Mariota, Winston, Dalton, all have had solid seasons, but none are good enough to consistently win with. Bortles threw 35 TDs. Edited September 17, 2019 by WindyCity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulman Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 You mean with all of the intelligent members we have here we haven't resolved this yet? It may be far easier to figure out what NOT to do at this point than to react as opposed to act logically. 5 hours ago, TB 1 said: This offense is built around Trubisky being a top QB and so far he is not a top NFL QB. Now in his 3rd year and 2nd year with Nagy he needs to take off and be the guy he was drafted to be or the Bears will continue to be up and down offensively. TB 1 stated an undeniable fact here and although Mitch doesn't need to be a HOF QB he does need to be far more productive and consistent than he has shown himself to be so far. He's not yet a QB who can simply take a game over and will his offense to win it and we may have to accept the fact that he will never be that guy. But if he's even only slightly better than average as to his consistency from game to game we'd be in a much better place. It does us little good to look at his overall stats without also analyzing game logs to chart his consistency from game to game and it's been all over the place. Cutler was banished for his lack of consistency yet he could pull off throws and conduct comeback wins we've yet to see Mitch even come close to so far. We still have a "Good QB/Bad QB" deal going each and every week and until that changes it's gonna be tough to forecast any championships. Now for what's not gonna happen. No one is gonna pull Ryan Pace into the woodshed. Least of all not GMcC. It's Pace's team now and any jam he gets himself into he will need to get himself out of. Sure as hell GMcC and Teddy Bears have no ability to do it. If Mitch fails and Pace can't adequately compensate for that by replacing him then eventually Ryan Pace may be replaced but we're a long way from that crossroad today. I don't know how you can empower Matt Nagy anymore than he already is. Mitch's future has been given over to him along with Helfrich and Ragone. IMHO these guys are all good coaches and Nagy at the very least does have track record of having previously developed a successful NFL QB. Right now Mitch's future is already completely in his hands and not Ryan Paces. Pace isn't coaching him. We're not ready to exercise Mitch's 5th year option now. There's plenty of time to do that next year. The amount of that option will be an average of the top ten QB salaries for 2019 and if Mitch does earn an extension beyond 2020 I think we can be sure THAT deal will make him a top ten paid QB anyway. The question right now is do we have a $30 mil a year guy or a $15 mil a year guy? Signing a different vet backup and competitor I believe is essential regardless of what happens the rest of 2019. We can and we should do better than Chase Daniel. We need someone who can press Mitch as a starter not a sideline schoolmarm to train him. That need should be over by now and the need for veteran competition to keep Mitch motivated has arrived. And yes, draft another young QB but to say Nagy should have a say is redundant when we know he'll already have the most say in who that guy could be. I can only assume he and Pace will have multiple prospects throughout the draft just as they did with RBs this past draft. Pace is not about to draft a QB himself over Nagy's objection. It would be foolish to even think that way. I'm gonna assume for the present that by 2021 we will know all we need to know about Mitch and that we will have added at least one more QB who can compete with him. From that and our draft status we'll know what we need to do. But if we need to spend yet another top pick on a QB who'll take another year or two to prove himself then unless Pace has way to keep top flight talent around him and a top defense intact we're gonna be right back to where we started when Mitch arrived. IMHO there's no way to predict that far out today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted September 17, 2019 Author Share Posted September 17, 2019 What are some 2nd-5th round potential QBs people like? I am going to start looking during the college season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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