GDT Week 3; Browns VS Rams

[Don Roshi]

15 minutes ago, Mind Character said:

Go to past drafts over the last 5 years (http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?season=2018&round=round1#round1 ).  Take a look at the players selected 25th to 32nd. Then look at the first 10 picks of the 2nd round players as well (likely where we'd end up in trade down scenarios). Assume that we'll draft better than most but still miss at times. What you'll see (even if you look at our selections of players like Corbett) far more often than not are players that aren't even close to what Jalen Ramsey is. 

Late 1st round picks in Theory are worth so much more than they are in reality. I don't see how trading two 1st (although it likely will cost less) sets this team back 5-6 years. It's possible that in those back to back years we take Offensive Lineman that come in as bookends for years to come. It's also possible that we take Austin Corbett as it's possible we take Nick Chubb or a Greedy Williams type. What I assume is that Dorsey is a great talent evaluator and just like other great evaluators he'll likely have 50% hit rate with 2 late 1st round picks at best. It's just hard for me to see that one players be anything close to a 22 year old arguably Best CB in the league that plays the run and has slot/safety versatility like Jalen Ramsey.

Now, of course the potential is there to take 2 future starts and hit with both picks, but that's not playing the odds and overlooks real historical evidence. 

The best argument for not using 2, 1st rounders to me is in the scenario that we trade down and accumulate more draft capital with those picks. So, in essence we wouldn't be trading 2, 1st rounders, but we'd be giving up the opportunity to have a whole handful of valuable picks.

You do make a lot of good points. Though, I am afraid of what we'd have to pay Ramsey in a few years. Having a truly dominant Nickle would be nice. Ramsey/Ward/Williams should make a quality unit and would help our DL.

OL is something we need to upgrade, but I don't think we've been doing them any favours in terms of play-calling. Maybe you're right.

[candyman93]

At least the 2nd half of our schedule is soft.

[Dawgpoun8017]

I do think people tend to underestimate money Mitch, is he ever going to be a shutdown #1 but he is a serviceable starting caliber corner who was looking very good last year till he got hurt, would I rather have ward in yea, but I think Mitchell can hold his own 

[hornbybrown]

So we are missing our entire starting secondary 

[sdrawkcab321]

Ward and greedy out?

 

god damn whatever happened to sucking it up and playing??

[Bucketheadsdad]

1 minute ago, sdrawkcab321 said:

Ward and greedy out?

 

god damn whatever happened to sucking it up and playing??

The entire starting secondary is inactive tonight.  Burnett and Randall as well.

[Bucketheadsdad]

Hubbard, Lamm and Higgins also inactive.

[Kiwibrown]

Carrie and money are starters, murray below average, we can still win 

[pnies20]

What freaking joke

[pnies20]

Higgins inactive too

At least the Steelers lost

[candyman93]

25 minutes ago, sdrawkcab321 said:

Ward and greedy out?

 

god damn whatever happened to sucking it up and playing??

Yeah.

 

These dudes aren’t getting a break in preseason next year if they can’t take a few hits in 2 damn games.

[candyman93]

Seriously though.

 

I get it worked for Mcvay. However, you need to feel real contact. You can’t just go 0-100 and expect to not have consequences from it.

[Mind Character]

2 hours ago, Don Roshi said:

You do make a lot of good points. Though, I am afraid of what we'd have to pay Ramsey in a few years. Having a truly dominant Nickle would be nice. Ramsey/Ward/Williams should make a quality unit and would help our DL.

OL is something we need to upgrade, but I don't think we've been doing them any favours in terms of play-calling. Maybe you're right.

Having to pay Ramsey versus others if we traded for him is a legit concern that can't just be dismissed.

We can't have Ramsey AND Damarious Randall AND pay Schobert, JC Tretter, And get ready to Pay Larry O and others.

I'd take Ramsey over Schobert and Randall because I think CB is more important and I don't believe in the longterm health of Denzel Ward and Greedy Williams.

Will be interesting to see if we get in on the trade or not. I have no clue where Ramsey will end up.

[Don Roshi]

Glad everyone else lost in the AFC North. All close games.

[Mind Character]

42 minutes ago, sdrawkcab321 said:

Ward and greedy out?

 

god damn whatever happened to sucking it up and playing??

Hard to run with the most elite athletes running straight ahead at you with a pulled or small tears in your hamstring. It's not about toughness or being mentally weak. 

Muscles and bones are how we move. We could understand a CB being out with a broken foot b/c we'd say "they literally are unable to keep up." If you've ever pulled a hamstring, you literally can't run for long periods of time depending on the injury severity. It's more than just a pain tolerance issue.

Also, it's week 3. We don't want Ward and Greedy completely tearing their hamstring, having surgery, being out for the year, and having serious injury concerns for the rest of their careers.

It does really really suck that they are out tonight. I'm with you there.

TJ Carrie is BBQ Chicken.