Packers RB Jamaal Williams stretchered off field after hit to head

[tom cody]

To bad to see the injury. Hope for the best for Williams in his recovery. 

[VigilantZombie]

13 minutes ago, Eagles23 said:

Flag for leading with a shoulder while a receiver isn't down?

  It wouldn't be the first time

[Joe_is_the_best]

2 hours ago, evilpimp972 said:

That gotta be the cleanest hit ever.

That is a textbook example of how to hit hard without leading with the helmet. Perfectly legal.

[SmittyBacall]

2 hours ago, Danger said:

He led with his shoulder. LOL

Yeah, "headhunting" is overboard. With both hits I honestly see a guy trying to knock the ball out and not someone making contact with intent to injure. On the first hit Williams was wrapped up and Barnett was committed to the hit before the whistle. It didn't look like it was intentional helmet to helmet or else he would have lead with the crown of his helmet. With the angle he was coming in on it was only natural for the helmets to collide; but I don't think it was malicious.

Same thing with the hit on Adams down the sideline. He leads with the shoulder; that much is clear.  My guess is it's with the intent of popping the ball out.

Edited September 27, 2019 by SmittyBacall

[G]

2 hours ago, Danger said:

then perhaps it's time we start playing two hand touch instead.

Does look like NFL is moving towards flag football. It’s why they hyped it up last year and will again. AB will sue for CTE billions and NFL will become NFFL in a decade...

[Soko]

Really unfortunate, hope Williams is okay. 

Also: late hit? Barnett had no chance to react to the whistle, both his feet from his final steps were on the ground when the whistle gets blown. How many highlights have we seen where a ball carrier looks like they’re going to get tackled and then don’t? It sucks but suspendible? Please.

If anything they could’ve had him for hitting a carrier who was stood up in the helmet, but with how Williams was postured, Barnett would just be getting roasted for going at a defenseless player’s knees. It’s an accident, it sucks.

[CWood21]

The Danny Trevathan hit last year was exponentially worse.

[Thomas5737]

1 hour ago, Joe_is_the_best said:

That is a textbook example of how to hit hard without leading with the helmet. Perfectly legal.

Eh, as long as he goes down or out of bounds it works but you also take yourself and potentially teammates out of the play if he bounces off and we'd complain that he didn't even attempt to wrap up instead of throwing a shoulder.

[Thomas5737]

44 minutes ago, Yin-Yang said:

Really unfortunate, hope Williams is okay. 

Also: late hit? Barnett had no chance to react to the whistle, both his feet from his final steps were on the ground when the whistle gets blown. How many highlights have we seen where a ball carrier looks like they’re going to get tackled and then don’t? It sucks but suspendible? Please.

If anything they could’ve had him for hitting a carrier who was stood up in the helmet, but with how Williams was postured, Barnett would just be getting roasted for going at a defenseless player’s knees. It’s an accident, it sucks.

No reason to throw a hit there instead of just assisting with the tackle but it's football and everyone's definition of football is different and I'm sure he enjoys going out and hitting people. For a safety standpoint it's a terrible decision because there won't be give in that situation so you know the force is going to hit someone hard whether it is you, the guy you are hitting or a teammate on the other side attempting the tackle.

It's a hitting league and safer helmets means less fear. We'll never be back to leather helmets where players know they have to protect their head and tackle instead of hitting all of the time so these types of things will always happen.

[Nabbs4u]

32 minutes ago, Thomas5737 said:

1 hour ago, Yin-Yang said:

Really unfortunate, hope Williams is okay. 

Also: late hit? Barnett had no chance to react to the whistle, both his feet from his final steps were on the ground when the whistle gets blown. How many highlights have we seen where a ball carrier looks like they’re going to get tackled and then don’t? It sucks but suspendible? Please.

If anything they could’ve had him for hitting a carrier who was stood up in the helmet, but with how Williams was postured, Barnett would just be getting roasted for going at a defenseless player’s knees. It’s an accident, it sucks.

No reason to throw a hit there instead of just assisting with the tackle but it's football and everyone's definition of football is different and I'm sure he enjoys going out and hitting people. For a safety standpoint it's a terrible decision because there won't be give in that situation so you know the force is going to hit someone hard whether it is you, the guy you are hitting or a teammate on the other side attempting the tackle.

It's a hitting league and safer helmets means less fear. We'll never be back to leather helmets where players know they have to protect their head and tackle instead of hitting all of the time so these types of things will always happen.

Do people (not directed soley at You) think he was trying to knock him out or the most likely reason, trying to dislodge the ball? In many ways like every Safety/CB on a play over the middle. How many times in the End Zone or over the middle do we see a WR catch the ball, get held up and smoke shortly afterwards by another player trying to dislodge the ball?

As Ying Yang eluded too, it was to late for Barnett to pull up so finishing the hit and potentially causing a FB made sense. At that time!  However like most bang bang plays , players body positions change, Head head contact occurs.

I don't for a second think DB was head hunting. However like with most injuries and especially in this case Carted off the field over reactions occur. Had he not been injured, jumped straight back up, it would of been flagged and moved on like 100's of other hits that occur just like that every single season.

It's only when serious injury occurs (ACL, Concussion, ect) that outrage and moral uproar seems to follow. Not saying it's unwarranted but labeling him as a dirty player, should be suspended ect, is overkill. IMO.

Edited September 27, 2019 by Nabbs4u

[Thomas5737]

5 minutes ago, Nabbs4u said:

Do people (not directed soley at You) think he was trying to knock him out or the most likely reason, trying to dislodge the ball? In many ways like every Safety/CB on a play over the middle. How many times in the End Zone or over the middle do we see a WR catch the ball, get held up and smoke shortly afterwards by another player trying to dislodge the ball?

As Ying Yang eluded too, it was to late for Barnett to pull up so finishing the hit and potentially causing a FB made sense. At that time!  However like most bang bang plays , players body positions change, Head head contact occurs.

I don't for a second think DB was head hunting. However like with most injuries and especially in this case Carted off the field over reactions occur. Had he not been injured, jumped straight back up, it would of been flagged and moved on like 100's of other hits that occur just like that every single season.

It's only when serious injury occurs (ACL, Concussion, ect) that outrage and moral uproar seems to follow. Not saying it's unwarranted but labeling him as a dirty player, should be suspended ect, is overkill. IMO.

Nah, didn't look like he had any intent to dislodge the ball unless it was by knocking the guy out which does cause a fumble. There were no sudden movements so he wasn't aiming to put a helmet on the ball and attempt to knock it loose (which would have been a decent idea even though it wouldn't have mattered with the whistle) he was going high and hitting the ball carrier. I don't know if he is a clean or dirty player I don't watch him but some guys just love hitting people and he may be one of them. Takitaki is one with the Browns, he loves hitting guys and is intense out there on the field but sometimes you just wish they would play a little smarter and a little less intense because penalties will happen even if you aren't playing dirty and just playing aggressive defense until the whistle. There are times where the risk of injury, especially to yourself or a teammate because that is  the #1 concern with each individual, just isn't worth it on a play that is already decided. Not saying to quit, assist with the tackle just in case the whistle isn't blown but a play like that isn't worth the risk of knocking yourself or a teammate out of the game which could have easily happened.

[Mazrimiv]

It's pretty clear by now that the NFL has no real interest in taking the reckless helmet to helmet hits out of the game.  If not for the CTE lawsuit, the league wouldn't even be going through this charade of pretending they care about keeping non-QB's healthy.  As it is, they give lip service to player safety while doing the absolute minimum they can to enforce the rule.

[Malik]

Even if you're going to say it was all accidental or whatever it's still a terrible play. He's literally being driver backwards. You're not supposed to tackle a player forward so they can gain yards. If he's trying to jar the ball out he has hands. It's a terrible play all around.

[Soko]

8 hours ago, Thomas5737 said:

No reason to throw a hit there instead of just assisting with the tackle but it's football and everyone's definition of football is different and I'm sure he enjoys going out and hitting people.

You can go look at virtually every big bit in football that’s never caused a turnover and say it was unnecessary from a health perspective. Going out there and being physical is a part of the game.

Kam Chancellor, Brian Dawkins, Sean Taylor, there are a ton of players that made their money being a physical presence. Barnett isn’t those guys, but I’d say most defensive players (sans corners, maybe) want to be physical every chance they get. Sometimes that means giving a guy some juice, even when they could just make a regular ol’ form tackle. And sometimes people get hurt from that. It’s unfortunate, but that’s the game.

[Thomas5737]

15 minutes ago, Yin-Yang said:

You can go look at virtually every big bit in football that’s never caused a turnover and say it was unnecessary from a health perspective. Going out there and being physical is a part of the game.

Kam Chancellor, Brian Dawkins, Sean Taylor, there are a ton of players that made their money being a physical presence. Barnett isn’t those guys, but I’d say most defensive players (sans corners, maybe) want to be physical every chance they get. Sometimes that means giving a guy some juice, even when they could just make a regular ol’ form tackle. And sometimes people get hurt from that. It’s unfortunate, but that’s the game.

Don't disagree with that. You do need to be smart and pick when to be physical though. There is more to football than hitting, nothing more annoying than watching a defender throw a shoulder and watch the offensive player bounce off and pick up yards.