patriotsheatyan Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 The Chiefs have been productive both games with Moore starting while playing good pass defenses both weeks. Alex Smith was a genuine MVP candidate the year before Mahomes started. Could this be taken to imply that Mahomes is merely a good QB on a great offense at this point in his career? How would most QBs do in KC right now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footbull3196 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 (edited) Not at all imo. Chiefs don’t pose the same threat against the pats / saints without Mahomes. But I will say they’ve spoiled him with a ton of skill position playmakers and his line isn’t half bad either Edited November 6, 2019 by footbull3196 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlowe22 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 I don't buy into the notion that backups playing well takes anything away from the starters. Mahomes certainly benefits from his surroundings, everyone does, but he makes plays almost nobody else makes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jameson_Neat Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 Nah, says more about Andy Reid than anything else. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footbull3196 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, BofaDeez54927 said: Nah, says more about Andy Reid than anything else. I wouldn’t say that. Reid got a lot more out of Alex Smith than most guys could Edited November 6, 2019 by footbull3196 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 Alex Smith was pretty decent with 9ers. Moore has been a good back up for like 10-15 years. I dont see why either would reflect on Mahomes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjapirate Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 yeah how dare andy reid be a qb friendly coach. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leoric Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 So Chiefs fans may get upset with me for saying this but Mahomes would not be as good, as early in his career without Reid. His success isn’t dependent on Reid and I think he’d be successful anywhere but he is definitely special while coached by Reid. Reid has made it work with so many QB’s over the years, Mcnabb, Feeley, Vick, Kolb, Smith, Moore, Mahomes. To be honest I think Andy Reid May be the best QB coach of all time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocky_rams Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 Mahomes is still very talented and would most likely do well on any team but Reid did help speed up the learning curve by a lot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingseanjohn Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 21 minutes ago, Boltstrikes said: So Chiefs fans may get upset with me for saying this but Mahomes would not be as good, as early in his career without Reid. His success isn’t dependent on Reid and I think he’d be successful anywhere but he is definitely special while coached by Reid. Reid has made it work with so many QB’s over the years, Mcnabb, Feeley, Vick, Kolb, Smith, Moore, Mahomes. To be honest I think Andy Reid May be the best QB coach of all time. As a Chiefs fan, I'd agree. But I'll also add, if Mahomes wasn't as talented as he is, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Matt Moore, after four games, would project to a 2,637yds and 16 TD season. In Alex's MVP like 2017 season, he put up 4,042yds and 26 TD. In Mahomes actual MVP season it was 5,000+yds and 50 TD. Just a small difference between him and the other two. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emaw1979 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 Did you see Alex Smith for the entirety of his 5 seasons? He was awful for 3 of them, average for one and good for his final season. Matt Moore had 2 decent games but lets not get crazy. There isn't any tape on him for a few years and the offense changed a bit to fit his talents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 Nope. Mahomes is a baller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Boltstrikes said: So Chiefs fans may get upset with me for saying this but Mahomes would not be as good, as early in his career without Reid. His success isn’t dependent on Reid and I think he’d be successful anywhere but he is definitely special while coached by Reid. Reid has made it work with so many QB’s over the years, Mcnabb, Feeley, Vick, Kolb, Smith, Moore, Mahomes. To be honest I think Andy Reid May be the best QB coach of all time. And ya know.. Brett Favre. Maybe Matt Hasselback also? Edited November 7, 2019 by Matts4313 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMossIsBoss Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 Yes... if Mahomes was putting up Alex Smith Chiefs numbers. Which would be really good for a young QB, so good, that combined w/ his rocket arm and penchant for highlight plays, he’d still be drooled over. ...but that’s not what he’s doing/did, he put up a 5k 50TD season. He FAR surpassed anything Smith did and took the offense to new heights. So final answer is no. That doesn’t mean he doesn’t benefit tremendously from Reid and the supporting talent, but again... 5k yards and 50 TDs, you don’t do that w/out a tremendous supporting cast. He doesn’t sniff those numbers if he’s plsying in Chicago the past 1.5 years... but neither does anyone in NFL history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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