incognito_man Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Just now, Pats#1 said: But their pass rushing isn't worse than last season and hasn't been the reason they've struggled so far...thats where I'm saying you're wrong. In your attempt to say that was the reason it was "obvious" the defense would struggle. I thought sacks were a useless stat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pats#1 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Just now, incognito_man said: I thought sacks were a useless stat? When did I say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 1 minute ago, Pats#1 said: When did I say that? you didn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 I personally don't like to rank teams until each of them have played 4 games(25%). Defense DVOA rank itself has a 15.3 +/- average change difference from week 3 to season rank in the last 7 years alone. 3 games just isn't enough, IMO. That said, the Patriots ranked 24th at this time last season and finished 16th, and of course they still won the SB. Playoff Result YEAR TEAM DEF DVOA RK DEF DVOA Change Thru 3 weeks Season RK Divison 2010 NE 29 21 8 Super Bowl Loss 2011 NE 30 30 0 Conference 2012 NE 19 15 4 Conference 2013 NE 4 20 -16 Super Bowl Win 2014 NE 1 12 -11 Conference 2015 NE 15 12 3 Super Bowl Win 2016 NE 24 16 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 2 hours ago, JustAnotherFan said: I personally don't like to rank teams until each of them have played 4 games(25%). Defense DVOA rank itself has a 15.3 +/- average change difference from week 3 to season rank in the last 7 years alone. 3 games just isn't enough, IMO. That said, the Patriots ranked 24th at this time last season and finished 16th, and of course they still won the SB. Playoff Result YEAR TEAM DEF DVOA RK DEF DVOA Change Thru 3 weeks Season RK Divison 2010 NE 29 21 8 Super Bowl Loss 2011 NE 30 30 0 Conference 2012 NE 19 15 4 Conference 2013 NE 4 20 -16 Super Bowl Win 2014 NE 1 12 -11 Conference 2015 NE 15 12 3 Super Bowl Win 2016 NE 24 16 8 well, DVOA doesn't start adjusting for opponent until week 4 either so a jump is expected. it's just part of a picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 10 minutes ago, incognito_man said: well, DVOA doesn't start adjusting for opponent until week 4 either so a jump is expected. it's just part of a picture And for good reason. The picture isn't clear enough. Hence why ranking teams this early is pointless. Especially when you have two teams from each conference that are going to be behind a game until late in the season. edit: But there are some things that can be said about week 3 games though, depending on how a person wants to look at it. I'll get more into that tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jontat83 Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 At what point does Rodgers enter in the MVP discussion? This Packers team is so banged up especially on the o-line and they have no running game. He's running for his life and making plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugger Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 2 hours ago, jontat83 said: At what point does Rodgers enter in the MVP discussion? This Packers team is so banged up especially on the o-line and they have no running game. He's running for his life and making plays. Rodgers has been playing well but has also had a couple of picks until Thursday night, which is way out of character for him. I think it is way to early to begin MVP discussions at this point in the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pats#1 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 On 9/28/2017 at 7:50 PM, incognito_man said: a lack of pass rush (sack%) was not shown as sole evidence of a 'bad' defense, it is simply a symptom of. Should we choose other measures? DVOA: 32nd (by FAR) DVOA vs pass: 31st Off pts against: 32nd (by FAR) Passer Rating against: 30th Opp yds per game: 32nd (by FAR) Opp 1st downs per game: 30th etc. Yea, I'll admit it now. This defense is legitimately awful right now . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeman+coleman Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 You can delete Matt Ryan's name from any current or future MVP thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlowe22 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Sorry Pats fans, but I'm not gonna lie, feels good to not have the worst defense in the league again. Although it's yet to be seen if that will change by the end of the year. Our defense looked historically bad against Bradford and Brady, but above average against the wildcard Cam Newton and feeble Jay Cutler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pats#1 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 46 minutes ago, Jlowe22 said: Sorry Pats fans, but I'm not gonna lie, feels good to not have the worst defense in the league again. Although it's yet to be seen if that will change by the end of the year. Our defense looked historically bad against Bradford and Brady, but above average against the wildcard Cam Newton and feeble Jay Cutler. Yea I'm hoping the D can eventually work towards mediocre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Ramster Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Geeeeeeeezy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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