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Who do you want as head coach?

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Who do you want to be head coach?  

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  1. 1. Who is the best choice of who we will interview/have interviewed?

  2. 2. Who is the worst choice?

    • Greg Roman
      4
    • Brian Daboll
      33
    • Robert Saleh
      4
    • Eric Bieniemy
      2
    • Jim Schwartz
      6
    • Kevin Stefanski
      3
    • Josh McDaniels
      8

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5 minutes ago, Mind Character said:

Robert Saleh was on the cliff's edge of being canned/fired by John Lynch and Kyle at the end of last year because he's couldn't make the defense be better than the sum of their parts.

He rallied this year after having full-spectrum talent advantage.

It's why you won't see any 49ers fans deeply saddened by his loss if he were to get the job. This turnaround doesn't have much to do with him as it does the influx of talent, though to be fair to him as well, I didn't blame him for how bad the defense was in years prior because of the complete lack of talent. 

He does strike me as a guy that could be an improvement as a head coach over a DC, he really does have that mentality, but he needs to surround himself with quality offensive guys for sure, because that's still the way to win. 

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5 minutes ago, NateDawg said:

To be honest, I’m just in disbelief that we’ve had head-coaching searches two straight seasons and the process has been as cluttered as it’s been. Totally unprofessional job it seems to me. Like, no clear plan. I am not a McDaniels fan but until yesterday I at least thought we went into this thinking we had our guy in mind. This is insanity.

Counter argument:

Jimmy Haslem is in charge.

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Mike LaFleur, who is eight years younger, is an assistant coach with the San Francisco 49ers. Matt LaFleur wanted to interview his brother for the Packers' offensive coordinator job, but 49ers head coach Kyle Shanahan blocked it.

https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2019/11/20/kyle-shanahan-never-tempted-let-mike-lafleur-join-brother-green-bay/4250373002/

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The Giants' search for an offensive coordinator has hit a road block.

Vikings quarterbacks coach Kevin Stefanski was believed to be Giants coach Pat Shurmur's top choice to direct his offense. But the Vikings have denied the Giants permission to interview and hire Stefanski, according to ESPN.

Stefanski is under contract for the 2018 season. While teams can't prevent assistants from interviewing for head coaching vacancies, all assistants are grouped together. So even though going from quarterbacks coach to offensive coordinator is a promotion, the Vikings are within their rights to block Stefanski from leaving for the Giants

 

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27 minutes ago, Forge said:

This is incorrect. They are considered lateral moves. All assistant / coordinator jobs are considered lateral. That's how Shanny blocked Lafleur from joining his brother as OC last year. 

That is incorrect.

All assistant / Coordinator jobs are NOT considered lateral. 

1.) A GM in title with final say over personnel decisions is a promotion over a GM position without final say over personnel decisions in the same way an Offensive Coordinator position with play-calling responsibilities is a promotion over a Offensive Coordinator position without play-calling responsibilities. They are not lateral moves despite the job title having the same designation. 

2.) Mike LaFleur was retained and was blocked via a title and responsibility change - He went from Wide Receivers Coach / Passing Game Coordinator to Full-time Passing Game Coordinator. Therefore, LaFleur received a promotion thus allowing the 49ers to block the move because he would not be the primary play-caller in Green Bay.

3.) Assuming that a 49ers offensive assistant is given play-calling responsibilities for the Browns, Kyle Shanahan/49ers could not block the move.

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3 minutes ago, Mind Character said:

That is incorrect.

All assistant / Coordinator jobs are NOT considered lateral. And you discounted the facts I laid out.

1.) A GM in title with final say over personnel decisions is a promotion over a GM position without final say over personnel decisions in the same way an Offensive Coordinator position without play-calling responsibilities is a promotion over a Offensive Coordinator position without play-calling responsibilities. They are not lateral moves despite the job title having the same designation. 

2.) Mike LaFleur was retained and was blocked via a title and responsibility change - He went from Wide Receivers Coach / Passing Game Coordinator to Full-time Passing Game Coordinator. Therefore, LaFleur received a promotion thus allowing the 49ers to block the move.

3.) Assuming that a 49ers offensive assistant is given play-calling responsibilities for the Browns, Kyle Shanahan/49ers could not block the move.

See the stefanski block. They are considered lateral

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The NFL groups coaches into two categories: Head coaches and assistant coaches. Teams can't prevent an assistant from interviewing for head coaching vacancies. But all assistant coaching jobs are on equal footing, so going from, say, assistant offensive line coach to offensive coordinator is considered a lateral move by the NFL.

 

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12 minutes ago, Forge said:

See the stefanski block. They are considered lateral

Once again, you are not grasping the central facts regarding why Shanahan was able to block LaFleur and why the Vikings were able to block Stefanksi.

Stefanski was blocked because his job with the Vikings was as an Offensive Coordinator with play-calling control/responsibilities.

Therefore, leaving for the Giants to take an Offensive Coordinator job with play-calling control/responsibilities would be a lateral move and eligible to be blocked.

Mike LaFleur, the 49ers Passing Game Coordinator was able to be blocked because he was not going to have primary play-calling control/responsibilities in Green Bay. Instead, his brother the Head Coach Matt LaFleur would've retained play-calling power. Therefore, it would've been a lateral move; thus, it was able to be blocked. Mike LaFleur currently COULD NOT be blocked by the 49ers if he received a Offensive Coordinator job for the Browns assuming he receives primary play-calling responsibilities/control because it would not be a lateral move, but instead a promotion of duties/responsibilities.

That was laid out in points 1-3

 

14 minutes ago, Mind Character said:

That is incorrect.

All assistant / Coordinator jobs are NOT considered lateral. 

1.) A GM in title with final say over personnel decisions is a promotion over a GM position without final say over personnel decisions in the same way an Offensive Coordinator position with play-calling responsibilities is a promotion over a Offensive Coordinator position without play-calling responsibilities. They are not lateral moves despite the job title having the same designation. 

2.) Mike LaFleur was retained and was blocked via a title and responsibility change - He went from Wide Receivers Coach / Passing Game Coordinator to Full-time Passing Game Coordinator. Therefore, LaFleur received a promotion thus allowing the 49ers to block the move because he would not be the primary play-caller in Green Bay.

3.) Assuming that a 49ers offensive assistant is given play-calling responsibilities for the Browns, Kyle Shanahan/49ers could not block the move.

I'm wrong all the time, but in this case you just have it wrong.

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7 minutes ago, Mind Character said:

Once again, you are not grasping the central facts regarding why Shanahan was able to block LaFleur and why the Vikings were able to block Stefanksi.

Stefanski was blocked because his job with the Vikings was as an Offensive Coordinator with play-calling control/responsibilities.

Therefore, leaving for the Giants to take an Offensive Coordinator job with play-calling control/responsibilities would be a lateral move and eligible to be blocked.

Mike LaFleur, the 49ers Passing Game Coordinator was able to be blocked because he was not going to have primary play-calling control/responsibilities in Green Bay. Instead, his brother the Head Coach Matt LaFleur would've retained play-calling power. Therefore, it would've been a lateral move; thus, it was able to be blocked. Mike LaFleur currently COULD NOT be blocked by the 49ers if he received a Offensive Coordinator job for the Browns assuming he receives primary play-calling responsibilities/control because it would not be a lateral move, but instead a promotion of duties/responsibilities.

That was laid out in points 1-3

 

I'm wrong all the time, but in this case you just have it wrong.

You can bullet point all you want. You're incorrect. But I will leave that to you to discover. 

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The NFL groups coaches into two categories: Head coaches and assistant coaches. Teams can't prevent an assistant from interviewing for head coaching vacancies. But all assistant coaching jobs are on equal footing, so going from, say, assistant offensive line coach to offensive coordinator is considered a lateral move by the NFL.

 

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