Kiwibrown Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, ReggieCamp said: I thought we had signed him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdrawkcab321 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, Kiwibrown said: I thought we had signed him? You thought incorrectly. We interviewed him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawgX Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 2 hours ago, ReggieCamp said: That's a bummer. I would have loved him as QB coach. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaWg_LB. Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 13 minutes ago, DawgX said: That's a bummer. I would have loved him as QB coach. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NudeTayne Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 13 minutes ago, DawgX said: That's a bummer. I would have loved him as QB coach. Well, the joke's on you because Baker refuses to work with a QB coach. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 1 hour ago, NudeTayne said: Well, the joke's on you because Baker refuses to work with a QB coach. Drew Brees didnt start working with a throwing coach until his 4th year. people are making way too big of a deal about that. lets see what he actually does this summer before we truly criticize 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NudeTayne Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 27 minutes ago, buno67 said: Drew Brees didnt start working with a throwing coach until his 4th year. people are making way too big of a deal about that. lets see what he actually does this summer before we truly criticize I was actually taking a playful shot at the folks you are mentioning. You and I are in agreement here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruceb Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 32 minutes ago, buno67 said: Drew Brees didnt start working with a throwing coach until his 4th year. people are making way too big of a deal about that. lets see what he actually does this summer before we truly criticize Party pooper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2020/2/3/21117602/speaking-stefanskis-language Recommend this article and the comments even more so, very informative, rufio at DBN is a great football writer, like MInd without the Shakespeare Edited February 6, 2020 by Kiwibrown 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mind Character Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 13 hours ago, buno67 said: Drew Brees didnt start working with a throwing coach until his 4th year. people are making way too big of a deal about that. lets see what he actually does this summer before we truly criticize That's actually not the case, but you are right in one regard. While it's true that Baker has the time to change his prior attitude toward off-season QB trainers/tutors, Drew Brees actually worked with an off-season QB Trainer since his 2nd year in the league as it was a requirement by Marty Schottenheimer. The previous year under Mike Reilly it was not. Marty Schott required footwork and timing drilling training in the off-season even for his veteran QBs and it was a point of interesting awkwardness between Brees and newly drafted rookie QB Phillip Rivers when both were asked to work together on training. You are right though that Brees didn't start working with the "Throwing Coaches" of the variety of 3DQB much later in his career along the stark rise and evolution of the sports performance industry. Before 3DQB, he hired trainers for the off-season, but they were more of the footwork, drilling variety but it was nothing close to what he experienced with 3DQB. There is a key distinction that also has to be made though. That is, Brees grew up in the early 2000s in the league where there was no substantial awareness on concussions and during those times the sports performance science and technology (i.e., computers, motion trackers, simulators, video cameras, etc) was still in its stone age. Even in those days, Marty Schott, the Peyton Mannings, the Brees' of the world were at the forefront of off-season QB training. Now, imagine growing up in these times where the science and technology is at its height; where Baker's elite QB peers are all in on the cutting edge sports performance, nutrition, sleep, fitness, and QB training science, and still rejecting trusted off-season rigorous regimen QB Training experts. That's the issue with Baker's previously held attitude toward things is that he's not in alignment modern times. As with all things, nothing is certain and nothing is fatal with Baker and he can absolutely turn it around and evolve his perspective and approach. It would be to his benefit and to Browns fans if he does so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 8 hours ago, Mind Character said: That's actually not the case, but you are right in one regard. While it's true that Baker has the time to change his prior attitude toward off-season QB trainers/tutors, Drew Brees actually worked with an off-season QB Trainer since his 2nd year in the league as it was a requirement by Marty Schottenheimer. The previous year under Mike Reilly it was not. Marty Schott required footwork and timing drilling training in the off-season even for his veteran QBs and it was a point of interesting awkwardness between Brees and newly drafted rookie QB Phillip Rivers when both were asked to work together on training. You are right though that Brees didn't start working with the "Throwing Coaches" of the variety of 3DQB much later in his career along the stark rise and evolution of the sports performance industry. Before 3DQB, he hired trainers for the off-season, but they were more of the footwork, drilling variety but it was nothing close to what he experienced with 3DQB. There is a key distinction that also has to be made though. That is, Brees grew up in the early 2000s in the league where there was no substantial awareness on concussions and during those times the sports performance science and technology (i.e., computers, motion trackers, simulators, video cameras, etc) was still in its stone age. Even in those days, Marty Schott, the Peyton Mannings, the Brees' of the world were at the forefront of off-season QB training. Now, imagine growing up in these times where the science and technology is at its height; where Baker's elite QB peers are all in on the cutting edge sports performance, nutrition, sleep, fitness, and QB training science, and still rejecting trusted off-season rigorous regimen QB Training experts. That's the issue with Baker's previously held attitude toward things is that he's not in alignment modern times. As with all things, nothing is certain and nothing is fatal with Baker and he can absolutely turn it around and evolve his perspective and approach. It would be to his benefit and to Browns fans if he does so. Well in the house video where he was talking about QBs and his history. Pretty sure he said Brees didn’t decide to work with him or throwing coach until his 4th season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mind Character Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 2 hours ago, buno67 said: Well in the house video where he was talking about QBs and his history. Pretty sure he said Brees didn’t decide to work with him or throwing coach until his 4th season. Indeed, Brees hadn't worked with "throwing and sports performance coaches" the likes of Tom House and later Adam Dedeaux of the now known 3DQB until later. I actually thought it was after his shoulder surgery in 2006 on the road to recovery and rebuilding his motion when he first started working with House, but I could've been mistaken. What is still the case is that Marty Schott required Brees and Flutie to work in the off-season with a favorite QB trainer of Schott's and that carried over to Brees and Rivers before Brees' injury and subsequent beginning of his career with New Orleans. Point is none of the people they worked with in the off-season were likely on the level of a Tom House or Adam Dedeaux throwing coaches, Brees still received QB skills development guidance in his off-season from heading into his second year and beyond. Hopefully Baker can pick it up heading into year 4 or this off-season even. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Mind Character said: Indeed, Brees hadn't worked with "throwing and sports performance coaches" the likes of Tom House and later Adam Dedeaux of the now known 3DQB until later. I actually thought it was after his shoulder surgery in 2006 on the road to recovery and rebuilding his motion when he first started working with House, but I could've been mistaken. What is still the case is that Marty Schott required Brees and Flutie to work in the off-season with a favorite QB trainer of Schott's and that carried over to Brees and Rivers before Brees' injury and subsequent beginning of his career with New Orleans. Point is none of the people they worked with in the off-season were likely on the level of a Tom House or Adam Dedeaux throwing coaches, Brees still received QB skills development guidance in his off-season from heading into his second year and beyond. Hopefully Baker can pick it up heading into year 4 or this off-season even. But like you just said, Marty required it. Wasn’t Brees going out of his way like people are killing baker over. Maybe Stef will have him work with someone, who knows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruceb Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, buno67 said: Maybe Stef will have him work with someone He sure as hell should since that light obviously hasn't gone on in Mayfield's head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruceb Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Seems Mayfield is more like this guy: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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