beardown3231 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 3 hours ago, WindyCity said: This is based on what? His 62% completion percentage or all the INTS he throws? The truth is that Dalton has produced at a similar level to Trubisky and is a marginal upgrade. Bigger issue is if Dalton can read coverages why has he produced such mediocre results? His 1 INT/game might suggest he struggles with that more than you are letting on. Based on the fact that he's been to the playoffs a few times, got to a couple Pro Bowls and is one of the rare QB's to throw for 3,000 yards in each of his first 3 years. If you don't think Dalton's more of a "quarterback" (or at least can read coverages better) than Trubisky is, I'm not sure what to tell you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topwop1 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, beardown3231 said: Based on the fact that he's been to the playoffs a few times, got to a couple Pro Bowls and is one of the rare QB's to throw for 3,000 yards in each of his first 3 years. If you don't think Dalton's more of a "quarterback" (or at least can read coverages better) than Trubisky is, I'm not sure what to tell you. At this point he's better at that part of the game for sure, no question, but he's not as talented as Mitch is/or was coming out of college. I think Mitch still offers more upside. Dalton is a guy I'd only want playing if Mitch continues to struggle in the early part of next season. Though I do not strive to have Andy Dalton as my starting QB1 over Mitch as of today.. Only if necessary. Edited January 15, 2020 by topwop1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxguy7 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 If Dalton is going to be the new Case Keenum, let’s get him for that first year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted January 15, 2020 Author Share Posted January 15, 2020 1 hour ago, beardown3231 said: Based on the fact that he's been to the playoffs a few times, got to a couple Pro Bowls and is one of the rare QB's to throw for 3,000 yards in each of his first 3 years. If you don't think Dalton's more of a "quarterback" (or at least can read coverages better) than Trubisky is, I'm not sure what to tell you. Mitch has made the playoffs and the Pro Bowl. Those are meaningless. Dalton per game is a 62%, 237 [7.1 per attempt], 1.5 TDs, .9 INT 87 QBR Mitch per game is 63.5%, 208 yards [6.7 per attempt], 1.2 TDs, .7 INT 86 QBR They are pretty much the same guy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted January 15, 2020 Author Share Posted January 15, 2020 Average Dalton [1] vs 2018 Mitch [2] [1] 62%, 237 [7.1 per attempt], 1.5 TDs, .9 INT 87 QBR [2] 66.5% 230 [7.4 per attempt] 1.75 TDs, .85 INT, 95.5 QBR Average Andy Dalton is slightly worse than 2018 Mitch. For Dalton to be seen as a clear upgrade you would have to assume Mitch never plays at the 2018 level again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardown3231 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 (edited) 36 minutes ago, WindyCity said: Mitch has made the playoffs and the Pro Bowl. Those are meaningless. Dalton per game is a 62%, 237 [7.1 per attempt], 1.5 TDs, .9 INT 87 QBR Mitch per game is 63.5%, 208 yards [6.7 per attempt], 1.2 TDs, .7 INT 86 QBR They are pretty much the same guy I'm not discussing stats. I'm discussing intelligence. After year 3, Nagy said Trubisky still can't read coverages. At least with Dalton I know the guy isn't a complete moron. He may not be great but at least he won't run out of bounds and take a sack for a loss of 10 or throw a 2 yard out on 4th and 23. Edited January 15, 2020 by beardown3231 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G08 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 33 minutes ago, beardown3231 said: I'm not discussing stats. I'm discussing intelligence. After year 3, Nagy said Trubisky still can't read coverages. At least with Dalton I know the guy isn't a complete moron. He may not be great but at least he won't run out of bounds and take a sack for a loss of 10 or throw a 2 yard out on 4th and 23. To be fair Nagy never said Trubisky "still can't read coverages". He specifically said he wants Trubisky to become a master at reading coverages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinz D. Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 4 hours ago, WindyCity said: The statement was that he is far better. High end Andy Dalton is 2018 Mitch Trubisky, that is what the numbers bare out. Low end Dalton, is low end Mitch. That simply isn't true. The stats may make it appear that way (but I refuse to take a deep dive to investigate either way), but low end Mitch is, or at least can be, shockingly bad. Dalton's problems with accuracy don't even approach Mitch's when Mitch is in brain-fart mode. 4 hours ago, Sugashane said: Brees, Brady, Bridgewater aren't happening. I don't think Rivers goes that far from his family either. I really wouldn't count out Brady, to be honest. Unless he's looking for a big payday, which we obviously can't provide. Rivers wants to keep his family in San Diego unless he has a big, lightning strike type burst of common sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 The name Andy Dalton and the words "reading coverages" should never be used in the same sentence. Using passing yardage is a terrible way to judge a QB's ability to read coverages. A QB who struggles with reading coverages throws the ball into double or triple coverages more than the average QB does because this usually means the QB struggles to read/look off the safeties and/or MLB-- and both Mitch and Dalton fit this description. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 (edited) The fact there's a serious discussion going on about Andy freaking Dalton only shows how bad of shape we are in at the position. Edited January 15, 2020 by JustAnotherFan 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardown3231 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 1 hour ago, G08 said: To be fair Nagy never said Trubisky "still can't read coverages". He specifically said he wants Trubisky to become a master at reading coverages. If you don't think that's what he meant, I can't help. That press conference was a Trubisky confidence booster so he wasn't going to say "he can't read any at all." He clearly can't read most coverages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G08 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 59 minutes ago, beardown3231 said: If you don't think that's what he meant, I can't help. That press conference was a Trubisky confidence booster so he wasn't going to say "he can't read any at all." He clearly can't read most coverages. He clearly can read coverages in the NFL, are you kidding me? He has his issues and misses reads -- more than I would like to see at this point in his NFL career -- but to say he can't read most coverages is hyperbole. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abstract_thought Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 10 hours ago, WindyCity said: Define Far Better? Dalton was top 5 in QB DVOA in 2015. Mitch has never been better than average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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WindyCity Posted January 16, 2020 Author Share Posted January 16, 2020 12 hours ago, abstract_thought said: Dalton was top 5 in QB DVOA in 2015. Mitch has never been better than average. Do you have a time machine? Dalton had 1 really good year, 4 years ago, for the other 8 years of his career he has been average at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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