RedGold Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, frenchie said: ...except for when this happened: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2810759-philip-rivers-chargers-stun-patrick-mahomes-chiefs-in-afc-west-comeback-win Yup, he did it last year. He had the same opportunity in pretty much any game against the Chiefs, Once is pretty good though. Fumbling when all he had to do was kneel, classic Rivers. Forcing it to Keenan Allen in double coverage, classic Rivers.. He was a very good QB, but not Hall of Fame. Just my opinion though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearerofnews Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Yin-Yang said: @Bearerofnews Where do you generally place Rivers on the all-time spectrum? That's tough to say. I value different aspects than others. So for me, off the top of my head i feel comfortable saying top 12 all time. I cant rate players who i didn't watch. I also find it hard to accurately adjust for era inflations in stats. Honestly id probably go top 10 even. Marino, Peyton, Brady, Montana, Brees, Favre, Rodgers. Then you have your Unitas, Elway, Fouts, Tarkenton, Starr, Aikman, Bradshaws, Wilsons, Moon, Kelly, etc. But i believe, throw for throw, play for play, Rivers is better than that 2nd group. What Rivers does at the line, his ability and the fact he has played for a horrible franchise, with a bad carousel of coaches, to the point of where Charger fans believe they have a keeper in Lynn who might honestly be an avg coach. I'm not sure what he is quite yet. The injuries, the heavy turnaround in personnel, bad oline, bad kicking, close losses, in same conference with arguably top 2 qbs ever, greatest dynasty of all time.. I get people will say these sound like excuses. I think excuses are inbalanced obstacles that dictate outcomes. Or people will say you can say this about other qbs... maybe you can, i never dug down to a granular level for other qbs. Edited January 30, 2020 by Bearerofnews Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchie Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 3 hours ago, samsel23 said: Yup, he did it last year. He had the same opportunity in pretty much any game against the Chiefs, Once is pretty good though. Fumbling when all he had to do was kneel, classic Rivers. Forcing it to Keenan Allen in double coverage, classic Rivers.. He was a very good QB, but not Hall of Fame. Just my opinion though. That's fine if that's the way you feel about it.. but don't make up some nonsense about him always folding in crunch time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGold Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 10 minutes ago, frenchie said: That's fine if that's the way you feel about it.. but don't make up some nonsense about him always folding in crunch time... Always was pushing it.. obviously he was good and has had a long career, he’s going to get those stats if he plays long enough(and he deserved to)... You gave one play, where he needed a fantom holding to save him on 4th down the play before. Many times against KC, Rivers had that drive at the end of the game and he failed. More often not than not, I should say. Just one example Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackywabbit Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Marshal Yanda is a HOFer now right? Now that he's been a part of historically excellent statistical offense and the ring he already had. Is that enough buzziness? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans_Matt Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 The centennial HOF made me mad this year. As someone who has studied NFL history since childhood the only 3 players that were worthy of being Hall of Famers there are Cliff Harris, Donnie Shell, and Mac Speedie. I'm very upset in the direction the HOF is going. Honoring above average older players that were never dominating. Go back and watch film. This is the modern day equal of AJ Green and Andrew Whitworth being Hall of Famers. Players like Harold Carmichael, Winston Hill, and Alex Karras, etc., should not be be there. I guess everyone that was above average will get in the centennial class later moving forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malik Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Fundamentally, I'd prefer the Hall of Fame make more space for the Kurt Warner type players than an Eli or Rivers. Someone with high peaks for a handful of years over guys who were decent to pretty good for a really long time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearerofnews Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, samsel23 said: Always was pushing it.. obviously he was good and has had a long career, he’s going to get those stats if he plays long enough(and he deserved to)... You gave one play, where he needed a fantom holding to save him on 4th down the play before. Many times against KC, Rivers had that drive at the end of the game and he failed. More often not than not, I should say. Just one example Yes that play was horrible and embarrassing. But it was a fluky qb to center exchanges. I honestly dont know if Rivers has had more than 2 of those his whole career. Obviously the situation that happened in made it much worse. But it wasnt a throw. 2017, both games vs KC Rivers choked. In the other 14 games of 2017, Rivers had 105 passer rating, 4000 yds 66% comp 27 tds and 4 ints. In his 2 games vs KC 1 td and 6 ints. Then this year the 4 int game. Other than that, yes since 2014 KC is 11-1 vs Rivers, but before that Rivers had a streak of 11-2 over KC. But i cant think of chokejobs other than the 4 games mentioned. The kneel fumble, both 2017 games and the 4 int game this year. Edited January 31, 2020 by Bearerofnews Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jebrick Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Even thought it is imperfect I like looking at how many times the player was voted all-pro. 1st team is better than 2nd team but it still says that the player was considered one of the 22 best players in the NFL for that year. Realizing that this is NFL sports writers making the decision but I still never have a beef when they come out with their list. I ignore pro bowl appearances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirill Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 On 1/30/2020 at 6:18 AM, SmittyBacall said: I've never watched Philip Rivers and thought, "Wow, that dude is a future Hall of Famer". Bingo bango. If you don't have ANY HOF moments you shouldn't get in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearerofnews Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 3 hours ago, Kirill said: Bingo bango. If you don't have ANY HOF moments you shouldn't get in. Everything on the field Rivers does is a MOMENT. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 3 hours ago, Kirill said: Bingo bango. If you don't have ANY HOF moments you shouldn't get in. Hey, he has had some really nice comebacks and game winning drives in the regular season. I think he's just behind Testaverde in both categories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilantZombie Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 On 1/30/2020 at 10:24 PM, wackywabbit said: Marshal Yanda is a HOFer now right? Now that he's been a part of historically excellent statistical offense and the ring he already had. Is that enough buzziness? If Faneca cant get in, no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrnastiesNO Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 (edited) On 1/30/2020 at 9:39 PM, Titans_Matt said: The centennial HOF made me mad this year. As someone who has studied NFL history since childhood the only 3 players that were worthy of being Hall of Famers there are Cliff Harris, Donnie Shell, and Mac Speedie. I'm very upset in the direction the HOF is going. Honoring above average older players that were never dominating. Go back and watch film. This is the modern day equal of AJ Green and Andrew Whitworth being Hall of Famers. Players like Harold Carmichael, Winston Hill, and Alex Karras, etc., should not be be there. I guess everyone that was above average will get in the centennial class later moving forward. Are you serious, Troy is one of the best ever, Hutchinson's one the best ever, and James is eh but he was dominate has the all pro and rushing titles to go alone with it. Edited February 2, 2020 by MrnastiesNO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans_Matt Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, MrnastiesNO said: Are you serious, Troy one of the best ever, Hutchinson one the best ever, and James is eh but he was dominate for a while. In this post I was specifically referring to the centennial HOF class here. Harold Carmichael, Jim Covert, Winston Hill, Alex Karras are not and have never been Hall of Famers. James and Atwater aren't either though. Edited February 2, 2020 by Titans_Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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