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Superstars are far more greedy than the owners

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The owners are partners with the players union. They are sharing the pie at  rate of about 51.5 (owners) to 48.5 (players).

Now take a look at the split between the super star players and the rest.

If Dak gets his 34 million a year then the top 6 Cowboys will make as much as the other 45 guys combined. (it gets even worse if they sign Cooper at a 7 vs 44 split)

These fat cats will average 17 million while the other 45 will average 2.3 million.

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The new deal will double and then triple minimum salaries.

It will offer much more in incentive pay so the 5th round pick who is a star can make an extra 500k as a rookie because his play determined his pay.

 

Clowns like Russel Okung and Aaron Rodgers want those players mad at the owners instead of the stars and their greedy agents.

If the players do reject this deal, they should push for individual caps on salaries so everyone gets what they deserve for risking their health which all the rich guys seem to care a lot about.

5% of the cap sounds about right to me. Make them eligible for the incentive pay as well so the MVP can still make 16 million instead of 10.

 

I don't watch the NFL so that Aaron Rodgers grandkids can each inherit 10 million dollars.

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I was waiting for one of these takes.

90% of NFL (and former) players aren't millionaires, most go bankrupt after like 5 years according to that one study. 

Superstars are only asking for what teams are willing to pay them, i don't see how you're being greedy for trying to get everything you are worth when your career can end in one play and you might not even see half your contract if the team's legal department feels it can money back from you (See Calvin Johnson and the greedy lions ownership) 

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I'm sure there are at least a handful superstars who aren't as dead set against it. Cam Jordan ("superstar") said he wanted and extra bye or a few extra roster spots and he'd be happy with it. That seems reasonable.

I'd bet, depending on their financial situations, there are some owners that are far more willing to sit out for a better deal they think they can get next year versus some who would just like to come to an agreement now.

But I agree that in a perfect world, the superstars would be fighting for the little guy more.

 

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22 minutes ago, SwoleXmad said:

I was waiting for one of these takes.

90% of NFL (and former) players aren't millionaires, most go bankrupt after like 5 years according to that one study. 

Superstars are only asking for what teams are willing to pay them, i don't see how you're being greedy for trying to get everything you are worth when your career can end in one play and you might not even see half your contract if the team's legal department feels it can money back from you (See Calvin Johnson and the greedy lions ownership) 

Them going bankrupt is ridiculous. Most of us make under 100K a year, hell probably under 50K if we're being honest and none seem to have issues supporting their families.

Even after taxes a 3 year life span of the average player thats still around 500-600K during your tenure, money some will never see. Not to mention most are either college graduates or close to finishing or at least have the means to earn a degree.

Point is if you cant manage the money you do make then you dont deserve more of it.

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The NFL is the biggest sport, but you can make a lot more money playing NBA or MLB

Edited by Malfatron

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The superstars make more because they’re better. Insinuating that roster fodder or depth guys deserve a bigger slice of the pie, simply for showing up, is a little too socialist for me. Increase the salary cap if you want them to make more.

Edited by Yin-Yang

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32 minutes ago, SwoleXmad said:

 in one play and you might not even see half your contract if the team's legal department feels it can money back from you (See Calvin Johnson and the greedy lions ownership) 

To be fair Megatron signed a seriously lucrative contract and then tried to ride off into the sunset with it at 30 years old.

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2 minutes ago, KingOfTheDot said:

Them going bankrupt is ridiculous. Most of us make under 100K a year, hell probably under 50K if we're being honest and none seem to have issues supporting their families.

Even after taxes a 3 year life span of the average player thats still around 500-600K during your tenure, money some will never see. Not to mention most are either college graduates or close to finishing or at least have the means to earn a degree.

Point is if you cant manage the money you do make then you dont deserve more of it.

https://money.com/nfl-players-retire-bankruptcy-life-expectancy/ that study I referenced.

I think you're overestimating how competent with money the average american is. 

https://www.fool.com/the-ascent/research/personal-bankruptcy-statistics/

Not sure how reliable "THE FOOL.COM" is but the chart they have in that article seems consistent with others I've looked at. 

To make a short point, the more money you have the more expenses you have. Especially when most NFL players can't get medical coverage anymore due to having played in the NFL.

https://www.fool.com/retirement/2017/05/01/this-is-the-no-1-reason-americans-file-for-bankrup.aspx 

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/11/this-is-the-real-reason-most-americans-file-for-bankruptcy.html - using more than one reference because duh.

It varies from player to player, even the higher end ones/people who made money who end up with cushy analyst jobs/coaching jobs etc. (Warren Sapp, Romo etc.) end up having money issues (Sapp)

 

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4 minutes ago, Chiefs_5627 said:

To be fair Megatron signed a seriously lucrative contract and then tried to ride off into the sunset with it at 30 years old.

My counterpoint to that is, what's the difference between not wanting to play anymore and not physically being able to play anymore? Most NFL teams will ask for their money back unless you have the rare exception of the steelers and Ryan Shazier who have kept him on the roster so he'd have NFL medical treatment and they'd still pay him. 

The Colts didn't go after Luck's signing bonus because they don't want the bad PR/potentially want him back. NFL teams do what suits them not the player (Unless you're the steelers, which makes zero sense but ya know NFL) 

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5 hours ago, SwoleXmad said:

https://money.com/nfl-players-retire-bankruptcy-life-expectancy/ that study I referenced.

I think you're overestimating how competent with money the average american is. 

https://www.fool.com/the-ascent/research/personal-bankruptcy-statistics/

Not sure how reliable "THE FOOL.COM" is but the chart they have in that article seems consistent with others I've looked at. 

To make a short point, the more money you have the more expenses you have. Especially when most NFL players can't get medical coverage anymore due to having played in the NFL.

https://www.fool.com/retirement/2017/05/01/this-is-the-no-1-reason-americans-file-for-bankrup.aspx 

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/11/this-is-the-real-reason-most-americans-file-for-bankruptcy.html - using more than one reference because duh.

It varies from player to player, even the higher end ones/people who made money who end up with cushy analyst jobs/coaching jobs etc. (Warren Sapp, Romo etc.) end up having money issues (Sapp)

 

The more money you have the more expenses you have? Because people live beyond their means. This isn't a we dont make enough money issue when it comes to players going bankrupt.

Chris Tucker once said I bought 6 houses, what the hell do I need 6 houses for.

Edited by KingOfTheDot

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1 hour ago, Malfatron said:

The NFL is the biggest sport, but you can make a lot more money playing NBA or MLB

Exactly! Those Sports as well make the vast majority of their money Promoting and Pimping out the Jordan's, Kobes , Lebrons, Curry's , Jeters, Ripkens, Trouts and Harpers of the world.

No one even the most die hard of Fans gives 2 💩💩 about the 15th man on a NBA roster for their teams or 25th Utility Sub for their MLB.

NFL is No difference! Since the SB it has been Non Stop Patrick Mahomes 24/7!  Anyone not a Chiefs fan and without looking it up name players 47-53 or the 10 PS Players who also Won a SB Ring that Sunday?

Stars make the Owners Money, Not the other way around!

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1 hour ago, Malfatron said:

The NFL is the biggest sport, but you can make a lot more money playing NBA or MLB

MLB and NBA both have smaller rosters and way more games 

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Stars are overrated. 
 

If Brady, Manning, Brees, and Rodgers didn’t play over the last decade and a half we would have had Ben win another SB or two, Wilson has another SB, Rivers in the playoffs almost every year and breaking all time regular season records, etc... We would never know players like Brady or Manning are possible and give super star treatment to others. 
 

Whether you add top players to the league or take them away, somebody is going to be on top and become a star. Those guys at the top then get the media hype and nobody cares if some hypothetical player could be better until he exists. If in another timeline Brady/Manning/Brees/Rodgers didn’t exist and Ben won the SB in 2010 he would have been universally regarded as the best in the league, and would have made the playoffs all four years he has missed since then without Brady/Manning taking spots or knocking him down. He probably wins another SB with the extra playoff trips and weaker competition and is considered the GOAT by many. Nobody would care in that timeline if better players could have existed. 
 

Remove every super star in the league right now and within five years we have a new group of super stars. 

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