Lionized Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 1 minute ago, TL-TwoWinsAway said: Gentlemen. The Ravens have Matt Judon on the block after franchise tagging him for the 2020 season. I haven't inquired, and I'm not sure of the asking price, but he has had quite the career, and would be a very good starting DE across from Flowers. If we could toss them a 3rd round pick (again, not saying they'd accept), would that interest the group? https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/matt-judon-baltimore-ravens-2020-free-agent Just kicking tires. Thoughts? Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TL-TwoWinsAway Posted April 4, 2020 Author Share Posted April 4, 2020 If we traded #85 for Judon, it would be sort of like we traded Slay for Judon and a 5th round pick. Again, not sure how the interest goes. He's a bigger guy (275), so I think he fits the profile of what Patricia and Quinn look for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigC421/ Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Solid player but I’m not sure he’s worth a big contract Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionArkie Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Article stated his production may have been inflated due to bitzing. Mp doesn’t blitz. You think he’d have the same effect here? It’s definitely worth kicking tires on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TL-TwoWinsAway Posted April 4, 2020 Author Share Posted April 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, LionArkie said: Article stated his production may have been inflated due to bitzing. Mp doesn’t blitz. You think he’d have the same effect here? It’s definitely worth kicking tires on. True. I imagine he'd play a DE role in a 4-3 variation of Patricia's defense, lining up across from Flowers. He would have the versatility to stand up, which is a plus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TL-TwoWinsAway Posted April 5, 2020 Author Share Posted April 5, 2020 @Sllim Pickens @Karnage84 @LionArkie @BigC421/ @Louis Friend @Lionized @davisblack @Bishop86 Gentlemen. I could use some feedback. So, I've been messing around with an idea as of late. Hear me out. If we were able to trade #67 for Matthew Judon, who would line up at DE in 4-3 looks and could stand up opposite of Jamie Collins on 3-4 looks, I would request that BAL toss in a mid-late 4th round pick (#134) in the deal. This gives Judon early-mid 3rd round value (around the 11th pick in the 3rd round), fills our need at starting DE and adds another quality, versatile piece on the DLine. Then... We could try and flip pick #134 to the Chargers for Mr. Forrest Lamp. (Or even an earlier 4th, requesting a later pick back in the deal, and still have two 4th round picks.) We would essentially be turning pick #67 into a starting DE and starting OG. (It's not saying much that Lamp would be a starting OG for us... we have close to nothing at the position. Despite his injuries, he'd be an upgrade, and is worth a shot.) Your feedback is greatly appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davisblack Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 I'm fine with it. I'd rather have proven NFL talent over 3rd-4th round picks that could potentially be worthless at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TL-TwoWinsAway Posted April 5, 2020 Author Share Posted April 5, 2020 Disregard. They want #67 straight up. That's significant value for a 28 year old that needs a big contract and has a $16M cap hit (tag). I'm no longer interested. (In addition, the Chargers want mid-late 3rd round value for Forrest Lamp. Two serious injuries and 9 total games during his previous 3 years. Not feeling that either.) Sorry guys. False alarm. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionArkie Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 I still think we can infuse talent/athleticism With our picks and our roster is lacking of both. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TL-TwoWinsAway Posted April 5, 2020 Author Share Posted April 5, 2020 So: Blacklock went with pick #37, and Ruiz went with pick #36. Had we gone Blacklock at #35 (or his position), that could've left us without Ruiz. Interesting. (I am in no way saying this to try and argue that trading up was the right decision. Just pointing out that Ruiz went between our #35 and #37, and how frustrating that could have been had we wanted him.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionArkie Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 It kind of confirms what I was thinking. Ruiz was a high second round value. I was hoping his position would drop him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 2 hours ago, LionArkie said: Article stated his production may have been inflated due to bitzing. Mp doesn’t blitz. You think he’d have the same effect here? It’s definitely worth kicking tires on. I posted something similar in the Jags forum about him and the blitzing. It's a concern if you aren't a heavy blitz team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 Any interest in Matt Breida as a pairing with Johnson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TL-TwoWinsAway Posted April 5, 2020 Author Share Posted April 5, 2020 (edited) @Sllim Pickens. @Karnage84. @LionArkie. @BigC421/. @Louis Friend. @Bishop86. @davisblack. @Lionized Hey guys. Good "morning". The Ravens would like to know how we feel about Judon for #85 straight up. (It's the Slay pick from PHI.) Lets put it to a vote. My thoughts: the difference in value between #67 and #85 is a comp 3rd pick of it's own. Big value. I don't think we'll be able to find a player at #85 that can step right in and apply pressure in the same way that Judon can. He played DE (and some situational DT) in college, so starting him at DE wouldn't be out of position for him. He also provides the versatility to stand and rush. In base sets, we'd have Flowers - Kinlaw - Shelton - Judon. That's a very, very good DLine. We could say that he signed a 3 year, $51M contract, heavily front-loaded to give us an out before year 3. Bonus: he's from West Bloomfield, so we'd be bringing him home. If we wanted to accumulate another 4th round pick, we could trade down from #67 to about the #78 range: that's where the value justifies receiving a 4th in return. Lastly, it would essentially mean that we traded Slay (29 year old "Pro Bowl" CB) for Judon (27 year old "Pro Bowl' edge) and a 5th round pick, then added Okudah at CB. I think that's good business. (We will not be able to lower this offer and still get him.) I vote 'yea'. Edited April 5, 2020 by TL-TwoWinsAway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TL-TwoWinsAway Posted April 5, 2020 Author Share Posted April 5, 2020 5 hours ago, Forge said: I posted something similar in the Jags forum about him and the blitzing. It's a concern if you aren't a heavy blitz team. He's an OLB in a 3-4, which makes that slightly misleading. He'd play DE in a 4-3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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