hrubes20 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 13 minutes ago, GSUeagles14 said: players are taking an awful stance here. Its absolutely laughable that @Thelonebillsfan thinks the owners are the ones being short sighthed as well. Cool, dont play this year. Go on a labor strike next year. It will not last on the players side, guys will break, period. Not only the lower piad guys, but the ones who havent had the big money yet, but are close to it. Depending on how the players handle this, its going to have a ripple effect into free agency for years. im sure we will get a lot of posts here in 3 years about how teams arent being fair though. Why should the players be the ones sharing in the revenue risk? It's the business owner that reaps the outrageous revenues when things are good, so they should be the ones to shoulder the risk or loss in this situation when things are far from ideal. The Players already agreed to lower their GUARANTEED salaries for a prorated season. They don't need to go any further. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 @hrubes20 the Cubs new media deal kicks in next year, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSUeagles14 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 33 minutes ago, hrubes20 said: Why should the players be the ones sharing in the revenue risk? It's the business owner that reaps the outrageous revenues when things are good, so they should be the ones to shoulder the risk or loss in this situation when things are far from ideal. The Players already agreed to lower their GUARANTEED salaries for a prorated season. They don't need to go any further. are you really arguing that players havent benefitted from increased revenue? weve seen minimum and average salaries more than double in the last 20 years, i wonder if that has anything to do with revenue? the players are getting paid for the # of games they agreed to play sure, but no one needs to play dumb pretend these arent abnormal time. theres an obvious loss in revenue, thats clear. players can say not our problem, but quite frankly thats short sighted and dumb. the more revenue you help create this year will benefit you down the road, and if you take a hard stance, you simply dont have that mich leverage. youee going to lose in the longterm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOMP_CHOMP Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 55 minutes ago, GSUeagles14 said: are you really arguing that players havent benefitted from increased revenue? weve seen minimum and average salaries more than double in the last 20 years, i wonder if that has anything to do with revenue? the players are getting paid for the # of games they agreed to play sure, but no one needs to play dumb pretend these arent abnormal time. theres an obvious loss in revenue, thats clear. players can say not our problem, but quite frankly thats short sighted and dumb. the more revenue you help create this year will benefit you down the road, and if you take a hard stance, you simply dont have that mich leverage. youee going to lose in the longterm. So if your place of employment closed because of covid-19, and you were making lets say $20/hour at the time. And then they reopen this week, and they say they are bringing everyone back, but for $12/hour to make up for their loss during the closer. You would be ok with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSUeagles14 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 47 minutes ago, CHOMP_CHOMP said: So if your place of employment closed because of covid-19, and you were making lets say $20/hour at the time. And then they reopen this week, and they say they are bringing everyone back, but for $12/hour to make up for their loss during the closer. You would be ok with that? thats not apples to apples, is it? really, its no where near it. if i have an employer where i know theyve had to cut offerings that have reduced their revenue dramatically and they say "hey, were trying everything we can to reopen, heres what we think.... we can only do "x" for the time being, not the "y, z" we're used to. because of this, we can only offer 70% of your pay. Do you still want to come back?" In that case, if i didnt have another job already, i very likely would. and then its not apples to apples, as we know baseball is a unique profession, theres no job all these guys have lined up that pays wheat they would be making. secondly, this is a short term problem, next year is back to normal (even if you have to add language to that affect), and lastly, it benefits you that baseball makes as much revenue as possible. As weve seen, the more baseball teams make, the more you get paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrubes20 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 2 hours ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: @hrubes20 the Cubs new media deal kicks in next year, right? Yes. Although they still have not reached agreements with all the appropriate carriers. The big one is Comcast and after seeing the debacle the Dodgers had with Fox, those negotiations will likely take a long time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Slateman Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 This proposal from MLB is so bad, that Max Scherzer, who is a maniac who wanted to pitch with a broke nose, looked at it and said, "lol, okay, no baseball then" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 7 hours ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: David Price is paying $1000 to every minor leaguer in the Dodgers system in June. A player is paying players because wealthy *** owners are too damn cheap. Yeah, this whole thing is ****ed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, beekay414 said: David Price is paying $1000 to every minor leaguer in the Dodgers system in June. A player is paying players because wealthy *** owners are too damn cheap. Yeah, this whole thing is ****ed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, beekay414 said: David Price is paying $1000 to every minor leaguer in the Dodgers system in June. A player is paying players because wealthy *** owners are too damn cheap. Yeah, this whole thing is ****ed. Shin-Soo Choo did this for the Rangers in April as well. Edited May 29, 2020 by beekay414 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelonebillsfan Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 Billionaire owners using a once every century pandemic to slash costs and end thousands of guys baseball careers as well as thousands more jobs for these minor league affiliates after posting record revenues should be the only thing needed to see that this is just insane greed on the part of already extremely wealthy people. Just grotesquely evil **** 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, Thelonebillsfan said: Billionaire owners using a once every century pandemic to slash costs and end thousands of guys baseball careers as well as thousands more jobs for these minor league affiliates after posting record revenues should be the only thing needed to see that this is just insane greed on the part of already extremely wealthy people. Just grotesquely evil **** Bout sums it up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelonebillsfan Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 Just now, beekay414 said: Bout sums it up The sport wont survive as constructed, this has made a relatively hit labor dispute into basically open conflict with no real signs of a resolution on the horizon. Baseball will always be around, but the MLB is about to be irrevocably altered and this tension isn't gonna just dissipate even if they manage to come to terms on this year, it's going to be a public war between labor and ownership. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, Thelonebillsfan said: The sport wont survive as constructed, this has made a relatively hit labor dispute into basically open conflict with no real signs of a resolution on the horizon. Baseball will always be around, but the MLB is about to be irrevocably altered and this tension isn't gonna just dissipate even if they manage to come to terms on this year, it's going to be a public war between labor and ownership. Indeed. I 100% support a labor stoppage after this latest bull**** attempt at "resolution." If ownership is truly losing out of their *****, then open up the books and prove it. Be transparent. The reality is, the owners are full of **** and everyone knows it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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