Cpdaly23 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, Swampbilly said: I think Love can be an exciting franchise QB with a couple years of development. I also think there was no need to trade up 4 spots to draft him nor a need to draft him at all in 2020. Time will tell but a big mistake IMO. I think the “cost” of the trade up will be a footnote either way. A late 4th, when you have 4 other day 3 picks, probably isn’t going to set you back in the short or long term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fl0nkerton Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 came in to see how much dumb was in this thread and was not disappointed lol 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 18 minutes ago, Joe said: I'm not backpedaling on anything. You're just challenging the credibility of the print resources I've used. If I saw something different on tape than what I read, I would've pointed it out and you know it... Again, you're better than this... I don't know, man. I've read your stuff for a long time and it almost always comes back to what Zeurlein thinks. Then when asked about Love, you went back to him again, only posting negatives, ignoring his grade and how it compared to the #6 overall pick. And you said that you watched one game. Then it bounced to three. I'm not spinning anything here. If you truly did watch 3 games, guess I feel like you would have said that initially. Or it could be that you are just so dead set against the pick you are doing anything you can to talk poorly about it. Which I get. I understand why some may hate the pick. I don't agree, but I do understand, because it is exactly how I felt about Rodgers. Honestly thought this time would be the same for me, but it isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snackattack Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Just now, Bullet Club said: I've seen the opposite. His 'wow' plays don't make up for the routine misses or late reads that he gets away with in college because his arm is strong. Look, I want the guy to succeed now that he is in Green Bay but I'm not going to change my mind on him sucking because he's on my team. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Based on what I've watched, I think he's a terrible QB prospect. agree to disagree on what he has demonstrated on tape then. we both hope he succeeds from here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Just now, Packerraymond said: This is pointless, you've given him next to no credit, whenever you're asked to back something up, you post a scouting report. What in the Michigan State game doesn't scream, "raw QB with high level arm traits, has quick release, navigates pocket well, escapes pressure, throws a beautiful ball on the run, can throw from various platforms, with various arm slots to avoid pressure and fit balls into windows, tremendous ability to determine velocity of throws, throws a beautiful touch pass for receivers to run under and carries over defenders, hits NFL throws on all 3 levels, plus arm strength, little choppy through progressions, tendency to read and throw vertical more than the coverage would tell him to, doesn't move zone defenders with his eyes yet, trusts arm over his brain at times." There's pros and cons, but you're watching a 19 year old QB from a school that should've got it's *** kicked on the road by the #11 team in the country make NFL level throws and have his team up 1 with 2:00 on the clock. That's top 10 pick in the draft tape, especially at QB. You need to eval some more QB's if you don't think so because you're overly critical. 2019 is not as pretty as I've said, but there's still elite tape for sure. He just loses his mental sharpness and tries to play hero ball. I don't think that's the argument you should make for a "pro-Love" point there. Utah State was playing a quick-hit style of offense from the get-go which almost ALWAYS puts a Big Ten team on it's heels unless it's OSU. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitnhope Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, Cpdaly23 said: Please tell me who was available at 30 that makes them great? Be better than this. It really is a poor argument. It points that you aren't looking at talent or roster building, really just being a cheerleader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, Bullet Club said: I've seen the opposite. His 'wow' plays don't make up for the routine misses or late reads that he gets away with in college because his arm is strong. Look, I want the guy to succeed now that he is in Green Bay but I'm not going to change my mind on him sucking because he's on my team. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Based on what I've watched, I think he's a terrible QB prospect. "Terrible" lol. Over-dramatic to the max. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampbilly Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, Joe said: Except MLF really liked the guy and knew that we would have to trade up in order to pick before Indy. It was a pre-emptive strike and we caught a really good GM in Chris Ballard off-guard and got the guy we wanted. I'm not sure Indy would have pulled the trigger on Love in the second. Love has a great arm and he can sling it, but there are much more polished QB's still available, also I'm not sure Indy wants to carry 3 QB's on the active roster. Brisset isn't the guy you want to put the game on his back and take over, but he's a legit game manager that a talented team can win with, so I don't see the Colts itching to get rid of him after they just paid him and we know Rivers is going to be their starter for 2020, so do they really want to fill up another active roster spot for another turnover machine??? I'm not certain they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fl0nkerton Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 what if JL decided to just have a f-k it senior season since his whole offense bounced? if you're going into your senior year and have a pretty good indicator you're gonna get drafted and instead of transferring like some kids do just go out there and have fun. It's Utah St FFS. The Mountain West isn't exactly known for incredible college football. It's on at 10 PM for a reason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fistfullofbeer Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Cpdaly23 said: I think the “cost” of the trade up will be a footnote either way. A late 4th, when you have 4 other day 3 picks, probably isn’t going to set you back in the short or long term. I don't mind the trade up, because of the same reason. But I am still dumbfounded that we went for a QB this year. I also understand that the Packers management is thinking long-term but when you have a franchise QB who still has atleast 1-2 more good years, it may not be that bad to be short-sighted and load up short term. It is a bigger risk to bet on Love to contribute in the future than to invest into a WR right now and help Rodgers out. Just how I feel about this anyway. We could have had Burrow fall this far and I would feel the same way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, Joe said: I don't think that's the argument you should make for a "pro-Love" point there. Utah State was playing a quick-hit style of offense from the get-go which almost ALWAYS puts a Big Ten team on it's heels unless it's OSU. I'm not trying to make a "Pro-Love" point but stating a simple observation I would make for any QB. A soph WAC QB on the road, facing a top 11 team, that plays up to his opponent to the point where he's making pro level throws is a check in the box. I think you're trying too hard to downplay its significance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: "Terrible" lol. Over-dramatic to the max. Cool, I stand by it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 12 minutes ago, Swampbilly said: I think Love can be an exciting franchise QB with a couple years of development. I also think there was no need to trade up 4 spots to draft him nor a need to draft him at all in 2020. Time will tell but a big mistake IMO. I like this. So don't think I don't. I too felt like the trade up was unnecessary, but it was just a 4'th round pick and it secured a guy that has the tools to succeed. And given how enormous the smiles were on Gute and MLF's faces, this was clearly a guy that was high on their board and wish list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Just now, Swampbilly said: I'm not sure Indy would have pulled the trigger on Love in the second. Love has a great arm and he can sling it, but there are much more polished QB's still available, also I'm not sure Indy wants to carry 3 QB's on the active roster. Brisset isn't the guy you want to put the game on his back and take over, but he's a legit game manager that a talented team can win with, so I don't see the Colts itching to get rid of him after they just paid him and we know Rivers is going to be their starter for 2020, so do they really want to fill up another active roster spot for another turnover machine??? I'm not certain they do. Except, Brissett's contract expires after this year... https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/indianapolis-colts/jacoby-brissett-19045 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpdaly23 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 1 minute ago, hitnhope said: Be better than this. It really is a poor argument. It points that you aren't looking at talent or roster building, really just being a cheerleader. Thanks for contributing absolutely nothing and not answering the question. There is a counter argument to the pick that is based on “immediate help” for the team. Passing up elite talent (in Gutekunst’s judgement Love clearly has that ceiling) in order to reach and fill a need is just plain stupid. You can disagree on the grade they gave Love, but they view him as a franchise QB. And you don’t pass those up for the 7th best WR in the draft. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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