NYRaider Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 2 hours ago, Jraider91 said: Kyler's DVOA absolutely fell of a cliff without DHop, back to his very poor 2020 numbers. Shows A) the impact of an elite WR B) that QBs are extremely reliant on talent around them When you look at the top 10 passers this season: Brady (Godwin/Evans), Herbert (Allen/Williams), Stafford (Kupp/Woods), Burrow (Chase/Higgins), Dak (CeeDee/Amari), Allen (Diggs), Cousins (Jefferson/Thielen). Carr: Zay / Renfrow 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickButera Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 46 minutes ago, NYRaider said: When you look at the top 10 passers this season: Brady (Godwin/Evans), Herbert (Allen/Williams), Stafford (Kupp/Woods), Burrow (Chase/Higgins), Dak (CeeDee/Amari), Allen (Diggs), Cousins (Jefferson/Thielen). Carr: Zay / Renfrow I just heard on the radio on the way home, they were saying the remaining teams in the playoffs all have legitimate star WR's. Seemed like for a while production could be found anywhere, but now, successful teams all have legitimate threats at the WR positition. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 1 minute ago, NickButera said: I just heard on the radio on the way home, they were saying the remaining teams in the playoffs all have legitimate star WR's. Seemed like for a while production could be found anywhere, but now, successful teams all have legitimate threats at the WR positition. Yeah it's a pass happy league. I'm a Carr critic but for him to put up the volume he did with as limited as we were at WR was unreal. Having an elite WR completely changes the way that teams have to defend you. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 On 1/17/2022 at 9:27 PM, bucksavage1 said: This is the challenge with the NFL, contracts don’t allow you to bring it back and try again. Jacobs, Renfrow , Waller, Crosby are all due deals with the next 1-2 seasons. We resign Carr and we’ll lose at least 2 of the those players. Remember what happened with Mack? We couldn’t pay him due to allocation on the QB and the OL Some People say “there’s always a way to find the money to make it happen” and that’s true to some extent. but I believe if you don’t waste cap space, are willing to get depth Thru draft picks and near minimum salary FAs, hit on your day 1+2 picks at a good rate, and extend your elite players early, thus spreading out the hits, you can pretty much afford to never lose anyone you don’t want to. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 7 minutes ago, jimkelly02 said: Some People say “there’s always a way to find the money to make it happen” and that’s true to some extent. but I believe if you don’t waste cap space, are willing to get depth Thru draft picks and near minimum salary FAs, hit on your day 1+2 picks at a good rate, and extend your elite players early, thus spreading out the hits, you can pretty much afford to never lose anyone you don’t want to. This was the downfall of both Reggie and Gruden/Mike. They missed on so many mid round picks that we are going to be in cap hell when we extend our good players because we don't have a ton of good starters on rookie deals. And god forbid we lose some key pieces we don't have cheap alternatives to replace them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Silver said on “The Colin Cowherd Podcast.” “Mark Davis has a kind of Russell Wilson, not fixation, but he was kind of into that concept from what I was hearing. Mark Davis, I think, has felt ‘we can do better than Derek Carr.'”https://heavy.com/sports/las-vegas-raiders/russell-wilson-trade-mark-davis/?fbclid=IwAR027fDzinbKxuuUF3CM1GvP6gMEDkpnqDyYMYCuHuCb8QOYaVXLVF-Hiec interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jraider91 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 22 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said: Silver said on “The Colin Cowherd Podcast.” “Mark Davis has a kind of Russell Wilson, not fixation, but he was kind of into that concept from what I was hearing. Mark Davis, I think, has felt ‘we can do better than Derek Carr.'”https://heavy.com/sports/las-vegas-raiders/russell-wilson-trade-mark-davis/?fbclid=IwAR027fDzinbKxuuUF3CM1GvP6gMEDkpnqDyYMYCuHuCb8QOYaVXLVF-Hiec interesting I mean we can do better but at what cost. Wilson is also slightly overrated (1 season of DVOA in top 5), he does similar to Carr in that he starts season of hot and falls off a cliff. He is better than Carr but has a monster contract and is 34 next season. They'd want multiple firsts and with a new GM who, fingers crossed, can use them I don't think I'd want to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilshark69 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Who really trusts what silver says anyways.lol I’m not saying it might not have merit, but a lot of his takes concerning the raiders are hot garbage IMO. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 I like Russ, but he's on the back 9. He's becoming more refined as a pocket as a passer vs. improvising as he's done in years past. No doubt an upgrade over Carr, but you'd have a very small window and the Raiders don't seem to have the horses for that race yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 2 hours ago, Jraider91 said: I mean we can do better but at what cost. Wilson is also slightly overrated (1 season of DVOA in top 5), he does similar to Carr in that he starts season of hot and falls off a cliff. He is better than Carr but has a monster contract and is 34 next season. They'd want multiple firsts and with a new GM who, fingers crossed, can use them I don't think I'd want to do that. I just want to draft a qb start new Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaidersAreOne Posted January 19, 2022 Author Share Posted January 19, 2022 I'll echo the thought of being weary of Russell. He hasn't looked all that great and will be 34 early this next season. QBs can last forever but mobility always has been a big part of his game. I wonder what it would cost. But if Davis truly does want "rockstar stuff" like the article says, a Wilson trade would be a big name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightmare Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 I would still take Russ over Carr as well, but wouldn’t give up much extra to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jraider91 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 32 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said: I just want to draft a qb start new QBs this draft are trash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 40 minutes ago, Jraider91 said: QBs this draft are trash I’m warming up to Pickett from Pitt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jraider91 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Just now, NCOUGHMAN said: I’m warming up to Pickett from Pitt He is ok, his absolute best case scenario is Carr imo. Nothing majorly impressive about his physical tools, good runner. One good year as a starter. I'd look at him in the late 2nd but he will go in the first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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