big_palooka Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 27 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said: Carr will not throw a 50/50 ball to save his life esp to waller esp in the rz why I don’t know. Waller would have 10-12 TDs with most top QBs in the league. The fact he had 2 is criminal, injury aside. He's more athletic and can out size nearly any defender put on him. He'd be option 1, 2 and 3 for me as a play caller and QB in the red zone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 12 minutes ago, NickButera said: Or telling. Edwards has only done 2 or 3 impressive things all season. other than that he's been been a shadow. Edwards game at S. Carolina was winning with size in 50/50 situations. He has great body control and can high point the ball. When given these opportunities, he's won them. He however does not get a lot of opportunites. Bottom line, Carr started getting tunnel vision late in the season with Zay Jones and it cost him in the end with a bad route and bad throw. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 20 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Yeah I mean if there's ever a time that you're going to just lob it up to your best player, that was the time to do it. But Carr decided throwing to his best buddy from the park in triple coverage was a better option. I honestly thought on the spike play carr would’ve tried the old Dan Marino fake spike play but lol Nope silly me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, big_palooka said: Waller would have 10-12 TDs with most top QBs in the league. The fact he had 2 is criminal, injury aside. He's more athletic and can out size nearly any defender put on him. He'd be option 1, 2 and 3 for me as a play caller and QB in the red zone. With a bum at qb waller would have at least 5 tds. Even mm gave him more shots in that one charger game last year. Instead it’s either josh running it in or hunter breakdancing hoping to get free or a fg. Basically our 3 rz options Edited January 17, 2022 by NCOUGHMAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 13 minutes ago, big_palooka said: Edwards game at S. Carolina was winning with size in 50/50 situations. He has great body control and can high point the ball. When given these opportunities, he's won them. He however does not get a lot of opportunites. Bottom line, Carr started getting tunnel vision late in the season with Zay Jones and it cost him in the end with a bad route and bad throw. 4 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said: Instead it’s either josh running it in or hunter breakdancing hoping to get free or a fg. Basically our 3 rz options In the red zone: Waller: 13 targets (6 inside 10, 2 TD) Edwards: 8 targets (5 inside 10, 2 TD) Renfrow: 23 targets (13 inside the 10) The fact that Edwards and Waller combined for 4 TD on 11 targets inside the 10 yard line says a lot, lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpaulthe1st Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 19 minutes ago, big_palooka said: Waller would have 10-12 TDs with most top QBs in the league. The fact he had 2 is criminal, injury aside. He's more athletic and can out size nearly any defender put on him. He'd be option 1, 2 and 3 for me as a play caller and QB in the red zone. On the surface that seems like a good plan but Waller doesn’t play to his size or athleticism and rarely high points the ball the way you would expect. He’s definitely a really good TE but he isn’t a jump ball type of player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, jpaulthe1st said: On the surface that seems like a good plan but Waller doesn’t play to his size or athleticism and rarely high points the ball the way you would expect. He’s definitely a really good TE but he isn’t a jump ball type of player. Over the last two seasons... Waller (inside the 10): 17 targets, 12 receptions, 9 TD Edited January 17, 2022 by NYRaider 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpaulthe1st Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Over the last two seasons... Waller (inside the 10): 17 targets, 12 receptions, 9 TD I didn’t say he wasn’t a good Red Zone target. I said he’s not the jump ball specialist one would think given that he’s 6’6” with a 40” vertical. Very few of those red zone TD’s were jump balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 9 minutes ago, jpaulthe1st said: On the surface that seems like a good plan but Waller doesn’t play to his size or athleticism and rarely high points the ball the way you would expect. He’s definitely a really good TE but he isn’t a jump ball type of player. I'm not talking about jump balls. Travis Kelce, Mark Andrews, etc. are not a jump ball TE's in the red zone either, they win with his size and the fact they are taller than most corners who matchup on him. Get the ball to the 6'6 TE where only he can get it. Pretty easy game plan. Give your best player a chance to make plays on the ball. Football 101. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 8 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Over the last two seasons... Waller (inside the 10): 17 targets, 12 receptions, 9 TD Hmmmm........it's almost like if you target your best player, he rewards you >50% of the time. Criminal he has so few targets there. He should have 5 a game in the red zone. Waller is a "keep throwing at him until the opposing team shows they can shut him down player". Week 1 was promising, then went away from him for stretches at a time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#1RAIDER FAN Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 Even missing games, Waller has to be thinking hold out this offseason. Worst case scenario he's traded to a team that gets him TDs more than here. Between he and Carr, offense could look entirely different next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 According to the market, we would have to pay Carr 170-200 million extension Do we pay a max level contract to a player that can’t elevate the team. Folds in the Red Zone and leads the league in lost QB fumbles every year? The final play vs the Bengals was a capsule of what he is. He had a good season but this seems to be his limit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agarcia34 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 Wallers lack of red zone production comes from the coaching and play calls as well. I would say more then Carr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 6 minutes ago, agarcia34 said: Wallers lack of red zone production comes from the coaching and play calls as well. I would say more then Carr. We don’t know what the coaching calls are. All we can do is judge where the ball goes. 17 targets , 12 receptions and 9TDs in two seasons to your best offensive target within the 10 is criminally low. Considering how efficient he is. Rodgers targets Adam’s nearly every possession within the 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, bucksavage1 said: We don’t know what the coaching calls are. All we can do is judge where the ball goes. 17 targets , 12 receptions and 9TDs in two seasons to your best offensive target within the 10 is criminally low. Considering how efficient he is. Rodgers targets Adam’s nearly every possession within the 10 Supposedly carr was supposed to have more input (admitted by carr and Olsen) after gruden. So what happened? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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