Pats are releasing Sanu

[GSUeagles14]

15 hours ago, Counselor said:

@ET80 what have you started!?

[Scoundrel]

1 minute ago, GSUeagles14 said:

@ET80 what have you started!?

[BucsDraftGeek47]

4 hours ago, ChazStandard said:

To be fair, BB's drafting has only been (at best) above average in recent years. His predilection for picking no-name DBs in the second round is viewed with semi-affection by Pats fans, but only because we kept winning anyway. A lot of wasted 2nd round potential there.

There's no denying the Pats missed draft picks have hurt them a lot - most especially their consistently bad WR drafts. BB is one of greatest coaches/GMs of all time, but his drafting is definitely his weakest feature, and taken on its own merits in isolation has never been anything but "good". 

 

THANK YOU 

thats all im saying

id trade NE history for tampas in a heartbeat,  but it is undeniable that NE has drafted poorly (especially in recent years) and relied on his brilliant coaching (WHICH IS A COMPLIMENT) to make things work (OH AND RELIED ON THE GOAT QB)

[BucsDraftGeek47]

10 hours ago, SkippyX said:

This is a new form of tin foil hat anti Patriot insanity but its not uncommon to have some form of that insanity.

When BB has been less than perfect as a GM (like all the other ones) he has made up for it with incredible trades and signings.

• Randy Moss for a 4th rounder. (top 50 trade in NFL history?)
• Kyle Van Noy and a 7th for a 6th round pick  - This is an A+ trade
• Jamie Collins for 3 million when he cost Cleveland 13 a year and Detroit 10 a year? Amazing!
• Letting Chung go when he wanted too much and then plugging him back in cheap after a year in Philly - A+
• Raiding division rivals for contributing players like Welker and Hogan.
• Bringing Edelman in UFA because "he is a football player" and him later becoming a SB MVP

Another brilliant move. Taking one of the best corners in the league from the Bills with money you then don't use on Malcolm Butler.

BTW, Hightower may be on his way to a Hall of Fame career.  If he falls short he's still going into the Patriots ring of honor .

• He was an A+ late 1st round pick.

As stated earlier, he made the best draft pick in NFL history in round 6 of 2000.

BB has done all this with the league stealing a pair of 1st round picks for a memo and science denial.

 

No one is questioning his ability to steal FAs or Coach other ppls draft picks he later nabs in free agency to relevancy, i agree with all of the above

this is solely about his drafting, which has been sub par post TB12

[BucsDraftGeek47]

7 hours ago, Hunter2_1 said:

 

I know what you're saying, and to an extent you have a point - but your list above is about as blatant as confirmation bias can get. You're listing the players that weren't All-pro/Pro bowl types and saying they were 'eh, needed coaching'. Players like Thuney and Hightower were instrumental in winning Superbowls (Thuney played his part in shutting down Donald ffs). They're not just 'eh' players, they've been crucial cogs in winning superbowls, and individually, they are really good players. 

The rest of the list you've stated' great draft pick', and it's actually pretty hard to nail as many of those as you've said. So really, you're showing BB is pretty decent at drafting. 

On the other hand, he does make some strange moves. He can't nail WR for his life, he can't seem to pick DBs in the 2nd round etc. 

But overall, that's A LOT of great draft picks for one GM. You've said it yourself, despite being too harsh as well. I also don't believe for 1 second you know anything about most of those players in the second part - but you seem to want to pass judgement willingly. Again, some of those were really solid players and represent the type of players you need for a strong spine of a team. GOOD drafting!

i can agree 

maybe i dont know enough about some of those guys

but i just have alot of respect for BB just coaching the hell out of guys

example : imo Hightower wouldnt be as good ANYWHERE else, BBs system makes LBs seem alot better than they are , look at Jamie collins

and for Thuney , am i really that wrong on him? you guys have one of the best OL coaches ever and almost always have a crazy good OL other than i think last year , so if i say i think Thuney needed coaching to get to where he is its because i dont think he'd be half as good if he wasnt in NE

[nextsuperstar1]

30 minutes ago, BucsDraftGeek47 said:

No one is questioning his ability to steal FAs or Coach other ppls draft picks he later nabs in free agency to relevancy, i agree with all of the above

this is solely about his drafting, which has been sub par post TB12

Well that’s unfair. He’s had plenty of hits in the first, mid and late rounds over the years. Gronk, Flowers, Thuney, Mason, Flowers, Collins, etc. all have been great compared to draft slot.  He might not be noticeably better than other GMs, and he has drafts that end up stinkers (just like every other GM), but he is not necessarily bad at drafting. 
 

Take 2016. The second rounder was a failure, but he drafted two linemen who are currently starters, a linebacker who is projected as a starter and another LB who has been part of a rotation, and a QB who is a backup, but who started his fair share of game. 

Edited September 4, 2020 by nextsuperstar1

[Deadpulse]

1 hour ago, BucsDraftGeek47 said:

example : imo Hightower wouldnt be as good ANYWHERE else, BBs system makes LBs seem alot better than they are , look at Jamie collins

Going into that draft I assumed High would be a Steeler. He just screamed all star Steeler LB. I was overjoyed when we nabbed him instead. That being said, I think he would have had a similarly great career in Pittsburgh

[Soko]

1 hour ago, BucsDraftGeek47 said:

this is solely about his drafting, which has been sub par post TB12

There’s been 1 draft lol

[MWil23]

21 hours ago, Deadpulse said:

I guess I dont understand your point. You seem to thing 20 years of sustained successs and 6 SB wins happened despite a bad FO. So is your point Tom Brady covered up a serious of bad moves?

 

 

 

[SkippyX]

Chris Long after LI explains the Patriot Way as defined by the greatest GM / Coach in NFL History. (around 3:20)

Your talent has to work with the system. You are there because you want to win in that man's program.

The coach can't 'coach you up' unless the GM brings you in and gets you to buy in to your role.

Even Long decided one year was enough (his role was going to change a bit in 2018) but Belichick got everything out of him for that year.

 

 

[nextsuperstar1]

1 hour ago, Yin-Yang said:

There’s been 1 draft lol

I think he was implying that the Patriots have been subpar at drafting since drafting Tom Brady (or since the year 2000). Which is kinda insane considering the following year they drafted Richard Seymour and Matt Light, both of whom were all-pros, and Seymour has been a hall of fame finalist. 

[BucsDraftGeek47]

6 minutes ago, nextsuperstar1 said:

I think he was implying that the Patriots have been subpar at drafting since drafting Tom Brady (or since the year 2000). Which is kinda insane considering the following year they drafted Richard Seymour and Matt Light, both of whom were all-pros, and Seymour has been a hall of fame finalist. 

Ok ok i realize that was harsh

ok how bout in the last 5-7 years

[Soko]

1 hour ago, nextsuperstar1 said:

I think he was implying that the Patriots have been subpar at drafting since drafting Tom Brady (or since the year 2000). Which is kinda insane considering the following year they drafted Richard Seymour and Matt Light, both of whom were all-pros, and Seymour has been a hall of fame finalist. 

Even in the last 5-7 as prescribed...

Jimmy Garroppolo, like or dislike him, hard to argue he was a bad pick. James White has been about as steady-as-she-goes for a pass catching back. Cam Fleming has been RT depth. Darryl Roberts has been CB depth. Trey Flowers is a good defensive end. Shaq Mason is one of the better guards in the league. Malcolm Brown is a decent defensive tackle. Joe Thuney’s one of the best guards. Jacoby Brissett isn’t special, but hard to criticize for a third round QB. Malcolm Mitchell played well before being forced into retirement. Grugier-Hill and Roberts have been decent depth LBs. Ted Karras has looked good when forced to start. Deatrich Wise is another depth guy. And then honestly the jury is out on guys like Isaiah Wynn, Sony Michel, JaWhuan Bentley. Who knows what we’re getting out of the the 19 and 20 classes.

No super strong classes and no bonafide superstars (Thuney deserves his praise, as does JC Jackson as an UDFA) and we as fans certainly wish for improved drafts, but the team would be in much worse shambles without the guys they’ve drafted. Don’t make them sound like the Seahawks, here...

[Hunter2_1]

12 hours ago, Yin-Yang said:

James White has been about as steady-as-she-goes for a pass catching back.

I'm assuming he's saying White would only work as well as he does with the Patriots. But ultimately, he's got good hands, he's got quick (sweet) feet, he's got vision after the catch and isn't slow....so, I think he'd be good anywhere.

Just like Hightower would.

[SkippyX]

The point of the draft is to help build a successful organization.

You don’t draft with gold jackets as the goal. You want parades.

A++ since he’s been in New England for 20 years:

6 Lombardis 

9 Super Bowls

13 AFCCGs

18 playoff teams

 

Ras I Dowling does not cancel out any of that.