The Good, Bad, Ugly vs Buffalo

[NCOUGHMAN]

2 hours ago, Humble_Beast said:

People don’t understand the game if you can watch the Raiders every Sunday and think DC is the problem. Our offense without our starting WRs nearly dropped over 30 on one of the best teams and defenses in the league. That’s minus Ruggs/Edwards, Gruden conservative play calling, stupid turnovers, a beautiful TD pass called back... that’s with having a defense that creates no turnovers and couldn’t stop a nose bleed. 

He’s not the problem but he’s not the solution either.
 

As a qb you shoulder more responsibility only person who touches the rock more than you is the center. Not sure if carr really wants to be Batman of the team he loved playing robin with Mack being Batman.

[NYRaider]

2 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said:

He’s not the problem but he’s not the solution either.

As a qb you shoulder more responsibility only person who touches the rock more than you is the center. Not sure if carr really wants to be Batman of the team he loved playing robin with Mack being Batman.

The solution is to build a good defense. Carr is 8-31 (20%) when the defense gives up 30+ and 33-26 (59%) when they give up less than 30. 

[NCOUGHMAN]

6 minutes ago, NYRaider said:

The solution is to build a good defense. Carr is 8-31 (20%) when the defense gives up 30+ and 33-26 (59%) when they give up less than 30. 

How many times have we lost with defense holding teams under 21points tho?

last year it happened twice...

[NYRaider]

3 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said:

How many times have we lost with defense holding teams under 21points tho?

last year it happened twice...

In games we've allowed 21 points or less: 23-14 (62%)

In games we've allowed more than 21 points: 21-40 (34%) 

We lost two games where we held our opponents under 21 last season but they were flukey. The first was week 16 against Jacksonville where they called that ridiculous penalty for Carr's slide when the game should've been over. And the second was week 17 against Denver when we were already out of the playoff hunt and just went for 2 so our season would be over. 

 

[NCOUGHMAN]

6 minutes ago, NYRaider said:

In games we've allowed 21 points or less: 23-14 (62%)

In games we've allowed more than 21 points: 21-40 (34%) 

We lost two games where we held our opponents under 21 last season but they were flukey. The first was week 16 against Jacksonville where they called that ridiculous penalty for Carr's slide when the game should've been over. And the second was week 17 against Denver when we were already out of the playoff hunt and just went for 2 so our season would be over. 

 

Interesting so basically with a top notch defense allowing 21 points and under we’d only be a 10-6 (.625) max or 9-7 (.563) team. So in a perfect Defensive world we’d at best be a 10-6 team. That’s qbotf type stuff to you? 

[NYRaider]

1 minute ago, NCOUGHMAN said:

Interesting so basically with a top notch defense allowing 21 points and under we’d only be a 10-6 (.625) max or 9-7 (.563) team. So in a perfect Defensive world we’d at best be a 10-6 team. That’s qbotf type stuff to you? 

Mahomes is 18-1 (95%) when the Chiefs allow 21 or less and 13-7 (65%) when they allow more than 21. So essentially if you gave Mahomes our defense and Carr his defense, their winning % would be separated by 2.5%. 

 

[NCOUGHMAN]

2 minutes ago, NYRaider said:

Mahomes is 18-1 (95%) when the Chiefs allow 21 or less and 13-7 (65%) when they allow more than 21. So essentially if you gave Mahomes our defense and Carr his defense, their winning % would be separated by 2.5%. 

 

So in a perfect defensive world with mahomes we’d almost be undefeated... 

[NYRaider]

5 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said:

So in a perfect defensive world with mahomes we’d almost be undefeated... 

Yup. But with even with Carr and a top notch defense we'd average around 10 wins per year. 

Russell Wilson is also 73-9 (89%) when the Seahawks hold their opponents to 21 or less and 26-39 (40%) when their opponents score more than 21. 

The biggest thing though is that the Chiefs have held opponents to 21 or less in basically 50% of Mahomes starts and the Seahawks have held opponents to 21 or less in 55% of Wilson's starts. 

While the Raiders have held opponents to 21 or less in 37% of Carr's starts. 

So essentially Wilson has had 9 games a year where 21+ wins him the game, Mahomes has had 8 games a year where 21+ wins him the game, and Carr has had 5 games a year where 21+ wins him the game. 

 

Edited October 5, 2020 by NYRaider

[drfrey13]

3 hours ago, NYRaider said:

We currently rank 9th in both total offense and scoring offense. 

The Browns and Seahawks have also had the benefit of an easy start to the season in terms of scheduling. Our opponents so far this year have a combined record of 10-5, the Seahawks opponents have a combined record of 4-10, and the Browns opponents have a combined record of 6-9-1. 

None of the last 7 Super Bowl champions have allowed more than 20+ ppg. 

We rank 12th in scoring offense and 15th in yards per game.  Also only 1 of our opponents ranks in the top half of the league in points per game.

[drfrey13]

1 hour ago, NYRaider said:

Yup. But with even with Carr and a top notch defense we'd average around 10 wins per year. 

Russell Wilson is also 73-9 (89%) when the Seahawks hold their opponents to 21 or less and 26-39 (40%) when their opponents score more than 21. 

The biggest thing though is that the Chiefs have held opponents to 21 or less in basically 50% of Mahomes starts and the Seahawks have held opponents to 21 or less in 55% of Wilson's starts. 

While the Raiders have held opponents to 21 or less in 37% of Carr's starts. 

So essentially Wilson has had 9 games a year where 21+ wins him the game, Mahomes has had 8 games a year where 21+ wins him the game, and Carr has had 5 games a year where 21+ wins him the game. 

 

I am not saying the defense does not matter but for good offensive teams they can sustain drives and give their defense a lead.  If your defense is not gassed and your opponent is 1 dimensional your defense will look much better.  There are a lot of ways to look at it.  Both wins we were even or won the TO battle and time of possession.  In both loses it was the opposite.  Against Buffalo after our 1st drive of the 2nd half we had 5 straight drives of 5 plays or less.  We can point fingers all day long but the offense and defense are to blame the last 2 games.

[MrOaktown_56]

2 minutes ago, drfrey13 said:

I am not saying the defense does not matter but for good offensive teams they can sustain drives and give their defense a lead.  If your defense is not gassed and your opponent is 1 dimensional your defense will look much better.  There are a lot of ways to look at it.  Both wins we were even or won the TO battle and time of possession.  In both loses it was the opposite.  Against Buffalo after our 1st drive of the 2nd half we had 5 straight drives of 5 plays or less.  We can point fingers all day long but the offense and defense are to blame the last 2 games.

It's mainly the defense. The offense scored on nearly every drive this week. The defense put the offense in a huge hole early in the game.

Gruden said it. We have among the least drives in the NFL on offense because we don't get the ball back. Our starting field position on offense is mediocre. We don't get turnovers like other teams do.

Objectively, the defense is a massive problem. The offense can be better and the turnovers are sloppy, but the majority of blame belongs to the defense.

[NYRaider]

31 minutes ago, drfrey13 said:

We rank 12th in scoring offense and 15th in yards per game.  Also only 1 of our opponents ranks in the top half of the league in points per game.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2020/index.htm

We rank 9th in yards per game at 390.5 ypg and 9th in scoring offense at 27.7 ppg. 

[NYRaider]

27 minutes ago, drfrey13 said:

I am not saying the defense does not matter but for good offensive teams they can sustain drives and give their defense a lead.  If your defense is not gassed and your opponent is 1 dimensional your defense will look much better.  There are a lot of ways to look at it.  Both wins we were even or won the TO battle and time of possession.  In both loses it was the opposite.  Against Buffalo after our 1st drive of the 2nd half we had 5 straight drives of 5 plays or less.  We can point fingers all day long but the offense and defense are to blame the last 2 games.

If you're allowing 30 points every week it's nearly impossible to sustain success. Good defenses are able to force turnovers to get the ball back for their offense with good field position. 

[raidr4life]

2 hours ago, NYRaider said:

Yup. But with even with Carr and a top notch defense we'd average around 10 wins per year. 

Russell Wilson is also 73-9 (89%) when the Seahawks hold their opponents to 21 or less and 26-39 (40%) when their opponents score more than 21. 

The biggest thing though is that the Chiefs have held opponents to 21 or less in basically 50% of Mahomes starts and the Seahawks have held opponents to 21 or less in 55% of Wilson's starts. 

While the Raiders have held opponents to 21 or less in 37% of Carr's starts. 

So essentially Wilson has had 9 games a year where 21+ wins him the game, Mahomes has had 8 games a year where 21+ wins him the game, and Carr has had 5 games a year where 21+ wins him the game. 

 

Carr averaged like 16 points a game last year

[NYRaider]

4 minutes ago, raidr4life said:

Carr averaged like 16 points a game last year

19.8 ppg. In our wins we averaged 25.2 ppg and in our losses we averaged 15.1 ppg. 

Over the last 5 seasons and through 4 games this year.

In games we score 21+: 34-8 (80%)

In games we score less than 21: 4-38 (9%)