Tony7188 Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 7 minutes ago, Ragnarok said: Handling a redbone can sometimes require a specialist. Just got a macbook and this auto spellcheck is killing me. Redbones are worth it though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 1 minute ago, Tony7188 said: Just got a macbook and this auto spellcheck is killing me. Redbones are worth it though That they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titans0021 Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 6 minutes ago, Forge said: Is it just me, or did Winston's arm just look bad tonight? Couldn't make it to the endzone on the hail mary, and even that last pass to howard looked like it just died mid flight. Yeah, a lot of his throws really lacked velocity. Particularly anything to the outside. I'll admit that I don't get to watch a ton of Tampa games (much like the Titans, they're almost always playing at noon CST), so I don't really know if that's been an issue all year, but it really stood out to me tonight. Especially from a quarterback that has a reputation for having a big arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony7188 Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 11 minutes ago, bucsfan333 said: How the hell should I know? ? I figured you might know why Winston targeted Howard instead of Brate. I understand Howard has incredible potential, but he is a rookie and Brate has shown to be a redzone specialist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Just now, titans0021 said: Yeah, a lot of his throws really lacked velocity. Particularly anything to the outside. I'll admit that I don't get to watch a ton of Tampa games (much like the Titans, they're almost always playing at noon CST), so I don't really know if that's been an issue all year, but it really stood out to me tonight. Especially from a quarterback that has a reputation for having a big arm. That's what I was thinking. It just really stood out. There was also that longer pass to DJax that was woefully underthrown and should have been picked by Harmon. I don't know if there was a wind kicking up tonight or what, but I definitely didn't see a guy with a good, much less great arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sryan66611 Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 8 minutes ago, Forge said: That's what I was thinking. It just really stood out. There was also that longer pass to DJax that was woefully underthrown and should have been picked by Harmon. I don't know if there was a wind kicking up tonight or what, but I definitely didn't see a guy with a good, much less great arm. It was windy but I don't think it excuses WInston and his terrible play tonight.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSUeagles14 Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 24 minutes ago, tonyto36 said: Tampa definitely did the Patriots some favors. But the Patriots would have played much differently in throughout the game and fourth quarter if it were a closer game and likely would have put up more points. huh? the game was close throughout and NEs offense struggled to score tds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 35 minutes ago, tonyto36 said: Of course it's in the spirit of the rule. Even if inadvertent, they shouldn't be rewarded for it. Furthermore, in your scenario you're introducing a whole lot of BS and personal judgement effecting the game in likely a very tight situation. It's exactly why the NFL changed the catch rule - so refs are less likely to mess up a game with a personal decision. It is not in the spirit of the rule. They were not trying to gain an advantage but were penalized twice. What advantage is there to be gained when you are set at the line ready to run a play. The only time you could gain an advantage is if it is fourth down and there are specific rules that take down into consideration. Bringing up the catch rule is not a good example. They are still screwing that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, tonyto36 said: No the Patriots were in control for most of the game. It wasn't only until the very end that the Bucs really even had a chance. You could tell by the playcalling and TOP the Patriots were way ahead for most of the game, regardless of the total score. ? The biggest lead of the game was 9 and the Bucs had one play from the Patriots 19 yard line for the win. How much closer do you want it to be to consider it close? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sryan66611 Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 patriots definitely would have scored more if they could have it wasn't a TOP type game... Its not like they have a rookie QB they are trying to contain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSUeagles14 Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 5 minutes ago, tonyto36 said: No the Patriots were in control for most of the game. It wasn't only until the very end that the Bucs really even had a chance. You could tell by the playcalling and TOP the Patriots were way ahead for most of the game, regardless of the total score. TOP was essentially even, well over half the game it was a one possession game. pats are lucky they snuck out with a win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sryan66611 Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 I think the only difference if it were "closer" is the Punt towards the end of the game probably would have been a FG kick or 4th down conversion try. And the FG at the end of the game would have been a 4th down conversion try... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 5 minutes ago, tonyto36 said: Because teams might know that it would be a stoppage and just auto-default to getting a free stoppage so they can talk over a specific play and system of plays. I understand what you're trying to say for intent of the runoff, but the alternative to what it is now is to add a ton of variance to the game and difficulty for the refs. Preventing non-football related strategy by messing with a loophole is what the NFL is trying to avoid. It's why the NFL shut down the eligible man shenanigans teams (and the Patriots) were employing. They might be screwing it up, but it's still a heck of a lot better than it used to be. They were not penalized twice. They were penalized for a false start, which includes both yardage and runoff of time. There are multiple rules that have a runoff time to prevent shenanigans. It is what it is and there is no simple work around and the work around you've proposed would just convolute the game. You have to have a time runoff. The NFL is not trying to simplify everything. Just look at the fumble rules on fourth down: On a play from scrimmage, if an offensive player fumbles anywhere on the field during fourth down, only the fumbling player is permitted to recover and/or advance the ball. If any player fumbles after the two-minute warning in a half, only the fumbling player is permitted to recover and/or advance the ball. If recovered by any other offensive player, the ball is dead at the spot of the fumble unless it is recovered behind the spot of the fumble. In that case, the ball is dead at the spot of recovery. Any defensive player may recover and/or advance any fumble at any time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinneasGage Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 wild how few humans are good at kicking field goals. one of the best gigs in america. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 1 minute ago, tonyto36 said: Yes, you're right. It ended with TOP essentially even... ..After an entire fourth quarter where the Patriots played a soft zone and called defensive plays SPECIFICALLY to kill clock at the price of yardage. Don't be thick. The Patriots controlled the ball and the game for three quarters and then the fourth quarter coughed up a whole bunch of box stats to win the game. Whether the Patriots screwed up or just like playing on a razors edge does not change the fact that it was a close game throughout. Remember the Bucs kicker was 0/3 on FGs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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