WFLukic Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Droy was Chase Young lol. Not even a discussion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcb1213 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Hell no. The defensively rookie of the year was.... Checks roster.... Ehh.... Justin Herbert! Woot! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 6 hours ago, MD4L said: Shout to PFF still trying to justify Devin White was a poor selection. 150+ tackles and 9 sacks this year. lol, I thought he was a little overhyped but he's been awesome this year 6 hours ago, Ragnarok said: Cause he/his agent don't pay them enough. Yeah this 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EaglesPeteC Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 3 hours ago, WFLukic said: Droy was Travis Fulgham lol. Not even a discussion. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 10 minutes ago, EaglesPeteC said: Man that hype was like Linsanity and then died off just as quick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EaglesPeteC Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 32 minutes ago, Counselor said: Man that hype was like Linsanity and then died off just as quick It was a fun little treat having something to cheer for for a month of this turd of a season 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WFLukic Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 I really like some of the advanced stats ESPN have been coming out with lately. Marquise Brown being in the bottom right quadrant confirms a lot of our thoughts based on the discussions we've had about him in this thread. He gets very good separation, but between Lamar's inaccuracy and drops, has largely produced underwhelming numbers. To break it down: Top Middle/Top Right - Receivers have good hands and an accurate QB Top Left/Far Left - Contested catch experts Bottom Left - Receiver can't separate and QB isn't putting it in a good spot for them Bottom Right - Receiver can separate, either QB is inaccurate or receiver can't catch Far Right - Receiver can separate, could benefit from improved QB play or improved hands Middle - Can probably define this receiver's ability by the routes they run - If you're in the middle running deeper routes/or as a no.1, pretty good. If you're a 2 or 3 and tend to work out of the slot or on shorter routes, probably not too great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 15 minutes ago, WFLukic said: I really like some of the advanced stats ESPN have been coming out with lately. Marquise Brown being in the bottom right quadrant confirms a lot of our thoughts based on the discussions we've had about him in this thread. He gets very good separation, but between Lamar's inaccuracy and drops, has largely produced underwhelming numbers. To break it down: Top Middle/Top Right - Receivers have good hands and an accurate QB Top Left/Far Left - Contested catch experts Bottom Left - Receiver can't separate and QB isn't putting it in a good spot for them Bottom Right - Receiver can separate, either QB is inaccurate or receiver can't catch Far Right - Receiver can separate, could benefit from improved QB play or improved hands Middle - Can probably define this receiver's ability by the routes they run - If you're in the middle running deeper routes/or as a no.1, pretty good. If you're a 2 or 3 and tend to work out of the slot or on shorter routes, probably not too great. Bolded can’t separate then right? Like Parker is about as far left as you can get. And does this look at depth of routes run? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 21 minutes ago, WFLukic said: I really like some of the advanced stats ESPN have been coming out with lately. Marquise Brown being in the bottom right quadrant confirms a lot of our thoughts based on the discussions we've had about him in this thread. He gets very good separation, but between Lamar's inaccuracy and drops, has largely produced underwhelming numbers. To break it down: Top Middle/Top Right - Receivers have good hands and an accurate QB Top Left/Far Left - Contested catch experts Bottom Left - Receiver can't separate and QB isn't putting it in a good spot for them Bottom Right - Receiver can separate, either QB is inaccurate or receiver can't catch Far Right - Receiver can separate, could benefit from improved QB play or improved hands Middle - Can probably define this receiver's ability by the routes they run - If you're in the middle running deeper routes/or as a no.1, pretty good. If you're a 2 or 3 and tend to work out of the slot or on shorter routes, probably not too great. So both Woods and Marquise got very good separation this year. Good to know. Pretty sure 3 of Brown's 6 drops this season came in that one game, but still a couple more than you'd like to see over a season. I do wish they had done Aiyuk. I would have been interested to see where he had landed considering his QB play this season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WFLukic Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Counselor said: Bolded can’t separate then right? Like Parker is about as far left as you can get. And does this look at depth of routes run? Yeah basically. I think it does, or at least a mix of that and type of route run because some routes are obviously designed to get more separation than others. So with Parker for example, he tends to run a lot of deeper routes - namely deep outs, crossers and straight verticals. So there's probably a moderately high expectation for separation, yet since he struggles with getting jammed, he often won't get separation. Yet despite this lack of separation, he still performs better than expected on those routes because he either tends to win in jump ball/contested catch situations or the passes are pin-point accurate. It could go both ways with him for example, because Tua is very accurate whereas Fitz is a kind of sling it deep and let your guy make the play QB. A Rob is more who I had in mind for that since he's pretty well known for being one of the best jump ball/contested catch guys, and had two pretty crap QBs throwing to him. Edited January 21, 2021 by WFLukic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 That actually made me curious as to WR drop rates. Going off pro-football-reference drop rates, it seems like a lot of top WRs(Diggs, Tyreek, Evans, AJ Brown) have a drop rate of 3-5%. Adams is only .7%, Hopkins 1.3%, and Jefferson 1.6%. Marquise was 6%. Thielen was a surprise at 6.5%. I'd be curious as to how they determine a drop v a pass just off target enough to not count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 35 minutes ago, Ragnarok said: So both Woods and Marquise got very good separation this year. Good to know. Pretty sure 3 of Brown's 6 drops this season came in that one game, but still a couple more than you'd like to see over a season. I do wish they had done Aiyuk. I would have been interested to see where he had landed considering his QB play this season. "Aiyuk’s average separation was 2.8 yards, which is higher than Julio Jones, Adam Thielen, Justin Jefferson, DK Metcalf, and A.J. Brown, to name a handful. Aiyuk was responsible for 24.98% of the 49ers' air yards this season. So he’s gaining separation and doing it while being targeted down the field." There it is. So he'd be on the right side of the graph...maybe near the middle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcb1213 Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 I think lukic just said Daniel Jones is accurate 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD4L Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 Another graphic positively talking about Justin Jefferson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD4L Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 @Jlash our first swapped from a few years ago ended up being a swap of AJ Brown and Mekhi Becton. It looks like a win-win ordeal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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