Caaddy24 Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 19 hours ago, Dalan162 said: People have to keep in mind that both Evans and Godwin were injured this year. Especially at the beginning of the year, there were games where Evans clearly lacked explosion. Second, people who look at stats alone must keep in mind that the offense is loaded. Most teams don't have Antonio Brown on pace for 1 000 yards as 3rd receiver and Scotty Miller as a 4th target. Add in Gronk, Howard and Brate at TE also. Of course, Evans and Godwin stats will suffer. It does not make them less talented or important for this team. Finally, the Bucs were a 11-5 team. This means that they often play with the lead and don't have to force the ball as much. So no garbage time stats padding for your stars (except the Lions game). Personally, I see Godwin as a better player between both 20 yard lines and Evans as a better red zone threat. For 15,8 M$, I see no reason why they should not have tagged Godwin. Yeah well said here... Evans had a down year because of all those factors mentioned. So, easier to say Godwin may be the more important WR going forward. But, I do wonder how Godwin would do as the #1 taking on the top corners and double teams that Evans does. And I don't know on the stats comparison but Evans dropped a few big catches too. Evans being the better redzone target, and Godwin being the better YAC guy. I'd put their blocking skills and hands about the same level. The biggest issue though going forward is if they both can stay healthy throughout the year. With OJ returning, and with the possible addition of a better pass catching RB, I don't know if either WR's stats would be higher again in 2021. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalan162 Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Caaddy24 said: Yeah well said here... Evans had a down year because of all those factors mentioned. So, easier to say Godwin may be the more important WR going forward. But, I do wonder how Godwin would do as the #1 taking on the top corners and double teams that Evans does. And I don't know on the stats comparison but Evans dropped a few big catches too. Evans being the better redzone target, and Godwin being the better YAC guy. I'd put their blocking skills and hands about the same level. The biggest issue though going forward is if they both can stay healthy throughout the year. With OJ returning, and with the possible addition of a better pass catching RB, I don't know if either WR's stats would be higher again in 2021. On a yards/game basis, they don't have to be. The Bucs were at their best last year when they ran the ball effectively. They had trouble against the Saints (2nd matchup) and the Rams when they were forcing the ball too much. They also used the play-action in the Super Bowl and we saw how effective Gronk was on these instances. Good football players do not only put up yards. They open the field for others, they prevent other teams from stacking the box (which helps your RB corpse a lot). Hell, Godwin blocks like he's an undrafted free agent trying to make the team (he reminds me of Edelman in that sense). The Bucs are paying big bucks for good players, period. I don't care if they put up 1 400 yards or 1 100 yards (as long as it's not 500 yards either, but you get what I'm saying). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caaddy24 Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 42 minutes ago, Dalan162 said: On a yards/game basis, they don't have to be. The Bucs were at their best last year when they ran the ball effectively. They had trouble against the Saints (2nd matchup) and the Rams when they were forcing the ball too much. They also used the play-action in the Super Bowl and we saw how effective Gronk was on these instances. Good football players do not only put up yards. They open the field for others, they prevent other teams from stacking the box (which helps your RB corpse a lot). Hell, Godwin blocks like he's an undrafted free agent trying to make the team (he reminds me of Edelman in that sense). The Bucs are paying big bucks for good players, period. I don't care if they put up 1 400 yards or 1 100 yards (as long as it's not 500 yards either, but you get what I'm saying). Of course, I didn't mean that as stats being a representation of them being good football players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgarrett12486 Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 53 minutes ago, Dalan162 said: On a yards/game basis, they don't have to be. The Bucs were at their best last year when they ran the ball effectively. They had trouble against the Saints (2nd matchup) and the Rams when they were forcing the ball too much. They also used the play-action in the Super Bowl and we saw how effective Gronk was on these instances. Good football players do not only put up yards. They open the field for others, they prevent other teams from stacking the box (which helps your RB corpse a lot). Hell, Godwin blocks like he's an undrafted free agent trying to make the team (he reminds me of Edelman in that sense). The Bucs are paying big bucks for good players, period. I don't care if they put up 1 400 yards or 1 100 yards (as long as it's not 500 yards either, but you get what I'm saying). CG is very comparable to Robert Woods in this aspect. Woods is one of the best pound for pound blocking WR's in the league and is similar in stature. Pretty rare to see 2 superstar WR's on the same team that are both probably top 10-20 in the league (in terms of blocking) that we have with Evans and CG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingone Posted March 10, 2021 Author Share Posted March 10, 2021 Gronk will be signed probably as long as Brady is here. Assuming Gronk production wise doesn t fall off a cliff, this has to be OJ Howard s last season with the Bucs. Even if OJ has a monster yr, would it be cap wise to pay OJ more then Gronk on yearly avg? I m not sure they could try to sign Godwin and OJ long term. There will be guys coming off the cap next season, but Carlton Davis is on track to get a monster contract. I don t think they trade OJ because the goal is to repeat and just get a comp pick for OJ when he leaves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalan162 Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, ravishingone said: Gronk will be signed probably as long as Brady is here. Assuming Gronk production wise doesn t fall off a cliff, this has to be OJ Howard s last season with the Bucs. Even if OJ has a monster yr, would it be cap wise to pay OJ more then Gronk on yearly avg? I m not sure they could try to sign Godwin and OJ long term. There will be guys coming off the cap next season, but Carlton Davis is on track to get a monster contract. I don t think they trade OJ because the goal is to repeat and just get a comp pick for OJ when he leaves. I agree. A monster year from OJ + comp. pick is worth more than improving draft position. Bucs are in win now mode as shown yesterday by David’s contract structure and TB12 age Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BucsDraftGeek47 Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 https://www.nfl.com/videos/mcginest-one-under-the-radar-pass-rusher-for-falcons-in-free-agency new Vid on cap space based on today was released on nfl.com we are ranked 24th among teams with a -5mil in cap space, obviously due to the tagging of CG14 very interesting, i thought we had a little more wiggle room 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingone Posted March 11, 2021 Author Share Posted March 11, 2021 I believe Gronk has been under rated how important to the team he is on the success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgarrett12486 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 35 minutes ago, ravishingone said: I believe Gronk has been under rated how important to the team he is on the success. No doubt. His blocking alone was worth the investment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BucsDraftGeek47 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 1 hour ago, kgarrett12486 said: No doubt. His blocking alone was worth the investment. wonder how much of a discount he'll give us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingone Posted March 11, 2021 Author Share Posted March 11, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, BucsDraftGeek47 said: wonder how much of a discount he'll give us If I m his agent, Howard is making a little over 6 million. No way I m letting Gronk sign for less. Edited March 11, 2021 by ravishingone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucsfan333 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 48 minutes ago, ravishingone said: If I m his agent, Howard is making a little over 6 million. No way I m letting Gronk sign for less. Brate too. Gronk can't settle for less. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BucsDraftGeek47 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 17 minutes ago, bucsfan333 said: Brate too. Gronk can't settle for less. well he made 10 mil last year, 7mil seems like a great discount plus he's still making more than the other guys 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgarrett12486 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 1 hour ago, bucsfan333 said: Brate too. Gronk can't settle for less. Brate is slated to make $6.5 million this year and can be cut with absolutely no dead money. I think there is a very good chance he's cut. We could take that savings and hand it to Gronk on a 1 year deal. Still think Brate could and would likely be back, but on a new near vet min deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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