onejayhawk Posted April 9, 2021 Author Share Posted April 9, 2021 I hear you, which is one reason I think the team is positioning to sift UDFA for their WR, again. Still, with three picks in the 5th and 6th rounds, we could snag one late. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayanfootball Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 Didn't find much on Vasher's pro day last Wednesday. He only participated in the vertical jump - 37" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onejayhawk Posted April 9, 2021 Author Share Posted April 9, 2021 8 hours ago, mayanfootball said: Didn't find much on Vasher's pro day last Wednesday. He only participated in the vertical jump - 37" That's not good. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefs_5627 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 2 hours ago, onejayhawk said: That's not good. J For 6'6" 215lbs that's excellent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onejayhawk Posted April 10, 2021 Author Share Posted April 10, 2021 4 hours ago, Chiefs_5627 said: For 6'6" 215lbs that's excellent No, it's not, especially at WR. 40" would be excellent. This is acceptable to decent, but not a plus. If he were a 6'6", 245# LB it would be different. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTrav Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 (edited) Average for a WR is 35.84 regardless of height Cole Kmet is a comp. He's 6ft6 and jumped a 37. But a TE and 262 Edited April 10, 2021 by BigTrav Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingseanjohn Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 I’m on my phone and I’m not going to try and copy and paste a lot. I’ll just say, look up the top WR last year. 36” is higher than Jeudy, Lamb, and others. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefs_5627 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 9 hours ago, onejayhawk said: No, it's not, especially at WR. 40" would be excellent. This is acceptable to decent, but not a plus. If he were a 6'6", 245# LB it would be different. J Where do you come up with that? And now it's acceptable to decent, thought it was "not good"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onejayhawk Posted April 10, 2021 Author Share Posted April 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Chiefs_5627 said: Where do you come up with that? And now it's acceptable to decent, thought it was "not good"? Not good means not an asset. It does not mean bad, or even mediocre. In this case 36" is probably the line. 35.5" or less gets a caution flag. 37" is a bit better than average, but not a lot better. Look up combine stats from previous years. In 2020, 37 inch vertical was not in the top 40. Peoples-Jones was best at 44.5", Ruggs was 42". Aiyuck was 40". Our own L'Jarius Sneed was 41". 40" roughly equates to 4.4 seconds in the 40, with 14 players vs 12. That's why I set it as the standard of excellence. 46 players did 37" or better, 30 more did 36" or 36.5". Restricted to WR, in 2020 37" would be tied for 15th of 46, with 11 more at 36" and 36.5", with an average of 36.14". 5 hours ago, BigTrav said: Average for a WR is 35.84 regardless of height Cole Kmet is a comp. He's 6ft6 and jumped a 37. But a TE and 262 Height is an asset in the vertical jump. Mass/height ratio has a lot to do with it as well, which is why Kmet is top 50 talent. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefs_5627 Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 1 hour ago, onejayhawk said: Not good means not an asset. It does not mean bad, or even mediocre. In this case 36" is probably the line. 35.5" or less gets a caution flag. 37" is a bit better than average, but not a lot better. Look up combine stats from previous years. In 2020, 37 inch vertical was not in the top 40. Peoples-Jones was best at 44.5", Ruggs was 42". Aiyuck was 40". Our own L'Jarius Sneed was 41". 40" roughly equates to 4.4 seconds in the 40, with 14 players vs 12. That's why I set it as the standard of excellence. 46 players did 37" or better, 30 more did 36" or 36.5". Restricted to WR, in 2020 37" would be tied for 15th of 46, with 11 more at 36" and 36.5", with an average of 36.14". Height is an asset in the vertical jump. Mass/height ratio has a lot to do with it as well, which is why Kmet is top 50 talent. J Wtf lol "not good doesn't mean bad or mediocre", you can't change the definition of words. I'm not trying to argue but that paragraph was literally you pulling something out of your hind end. All those WRs you listed are not 6'6" and 215 lbs. Add the 6'6" to a 37" vertical and that's pretty high in the air. Definitely better than "not good". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onejayhawk Posted April 11, 2021 Author Share Posted April 11, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Chiefs_5627 said: Wtf lol "not good doesn't mean bad or mediocre", you can't change the definition of words. I'm not trying to argue but that paragraph was literally you pulling something out of your hind end. All those WRs you listed are not 6'6" and 215 lbs. Add the 6'6" to a 37" vertical and that's pretty high in the air. Definitely better than "not good". Again, no. You seem to be under the impression that it is harder for tall players to do well in the vertical jump. It isn't. In fact height is an advantage in this drill. 37" is a bit above average, but not much. It's not bad, but it's also not particularly good. J Edited April 11, 2021 by onejayhawk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefs_5627 Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 1 hour ago, onejayhawk said: Again, no. You seem to be under the impression that it is harder for tall players to do well in the vertical jump. It isn't. In fact height is an advantage in this drill. 37" is a bit above average, but not much. It's not bad, but it's also not particularly good. J 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGold Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 I don’t think height helps with vertical. 37 is pretty average. It doesn’t disappoint, but always doesn’t make me think wow. Nothing about Vasher really stands out aside from his height, I don’t think he has the flexibility to play in our offense. It’s pretty rare you get a tall guy that is able to run the routes Andy requires, well at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTrav Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 13 hours ago, onejayhawk said: Height is an asset in the vertical jump. Mass/height ratio has a lot to do with it as well, which is why Kmet is top 50 talent. J Yes, and the WRs in 2020 that jumped 37 are mosty around 6ft or under. So I agree with you in that 37 isn't good enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onejayhawk Posted April 11, 2021 Author Share Posted April 11, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, samsel23 said: I don’t think height helps with vertical. 37 is pretty average. It doesn’t disappoint, but always doesn’t make me think wow. Nothing about Vasher really stands out aside from his height, I don’t think he has the flexibility to play in our offense. It’s pretty rare you get a tall guy that is able to run the routes Andy requires, well at least. Weight usually offsets the advantage, which is why Kmet was so impressive, but Vasher is skinny. Route running is a completely separate issue. In this vein, the team has been retooling an UDFA TE for two years now. His name is Jody Fortson from Valdosta St. He was 6'6", 230# two years ago, but there are no workout numbers available. Last training camp he looked good, but did not make the roster. Along with half a dozen other futures contract players, he is why I think the Chiefs are not planning on a premium pick at WR. 4 hours ago, BigTrav said: Yes, and the WRs in 2020 that jumped 37 are mosty around 6ft or under. So I agree with you in that 37 isn't good enough Exactly. 37" is a checkmark, neither good nor bad. The rest of his physical makeup and game skills are the key. J Edited April 11, 2021 by onejayhawk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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