NYRaider Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 The $21M we have allocated to the C position with James $8M cap hit and Hudson's $13M in dead cap is higher than the cap hit for any offensive lineman in the NFL in 2021. We also paid Trent Brown $21M in 2020 which was more than twice as much then the 2nd highest paid RT in the league, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnobili Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 if true, it basically means next year we will be paying him 6 mil (fully guaranteed), and have him on the books for ~6 mil as well in 2023 lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Just now, big_palooka said: Right? Reportedly Hudson asked to be released. If you don't trade Hudson, do you still make this move? Now we have $21M invested into the C position for a guy with 1 career start, bigger cap hit than any OL in the league. Just comical at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnobili Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 8 minutes ago, Roninho said: Based on the 100 snaps you've seen of him? they werent even good snaps. thats why i'm so stunned at this odd confidence in him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fracta Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 He hasn't proved himself to be good in real games... such a weird move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, big_palooka said: This team man. They can't operate like a normal franchise can they. No way to justify this move. Breaking off a backup practice squad player because "you like him" before he's actually earned anything. When do they every look smart with these moves? Even if he's a breakout player (which hopefully he is) there is no smart business sense in making this move before he's seasoned in the league. Feels like a Gruden ego move. Instead of letting James prove himself on the field, had to pay him post trading off Hudson/Jackson for "reasons" We asked the rest of the OL to take pay cuts and it was so bad that the leader of our OL asked to be released/traded just to sign Andre James to an extension... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 58 minutes ago, agarcia34 said: Cable has also been the only coach to show he can coach these guys up(TE coach as well but he left) His biggest fail and only fail with the Raiders has been Parker and hey can’t always hit a home run. Personally, I love Cable. I was irked when we ditched him as HC back when (though I understand why). But let's be real, Jackson, Hudson, Osemele, Incognito, and Brown (for what he's worth) were proven commodities. Cable has every reason to be proud of Miller and Good's progress and handling last year with so much uncertainty. But let's not overstate his success. He had the benefit of several players who were already proven, while he himself was fortunate to even have a job considering how his stint in Seattle turned out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Turnobili said: they werent even good snaps. thats why i'm so stunned at this odd confidence in him In his 116 offensive snaps in 2019, PFF gave him a 1.9 pass blocking grade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 1 minute ago, NYRaider said: Now we have $21M invested into the C position for a guy with 1 career start, bigger cap hit than any OL in the league. Just comical at this point. The Autumn wind has blown right out the window with this franchise... nothing makes sense anymore. Lost in this, you're now putting the spotlight and pressure on a young player with 1 career start. Has to put up or shut up now vs. being able to ease into the role. From a psychologic standpoint it's dumb as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnobili Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Just now, NYRaider said: In his 116 offensive snaps in 2019, PFF gave him a 1.9 pass blocking grade. i didnt need to see the grade to know that. just go back and watch the 2019 Lions game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, big_palooka said: This team man. They can't operate like a normal franchise can they. No way to justify this move. Breaking off a backup practice squad player because "you like him" before he's actually earned anything. When do they every look smart with these moves? Even if he's a breakout player (which hopefully he is) there is no smart business sense in making this move before he's seasoned in the league. Feels like a Gruden ego move. Instead of letting James prove himself on the field, had to pay him post trading off Hudson/Jackson for "reasons" Yeah I agree. Most of the moves have been pretty sensible, but this just feels like jumping the gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Just now, big_palooka said: The Autumn wind has blown right out the window with this franchise... nothing makes sense anymore. Lost in this, you're now putting the spotlight and pressure on a young player with 1 career start. Has to put up or shut up now vs. being able to ease into the role. From a psychologic standpoint it's dumb as well. #createthatcapspacetho! #butreleasinghimcreatescapspacewecanusetosignimprovements #butitsasavingsduh It takes real homers to defend these moves at every turn. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, Turnobili said: if true, it basically means next year we will be paying him 6 mil (fully guaranteed), and have him on the books for ~6 mil as well in 2023 lol This is a key component to the who thing. Could be a very low risk high reward deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Also... if you are one of the fans supporting this move because "the staff sees him in practice", please take a lap. Paying a player on practice performance is the single dumbest justification you can make here. Insert Allen Iverson meme 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 1 minute ago, ronjon1990 said: Personally, I love Cable. I was irked when we ditched him as HC back when (though I understand why). But let's be real, Jackson, Hudson, Osemele, Incognito, and Brown (for what he's worth) were proven commodities. Cable has every reason to be proud of Miller and Good's progress and handling last year with so much uncertainty. But let's not overstate his success. He had the benefit of several players who were already proven, while he himself was fortunate to even have a job considering how his stint in Seattle turned out. Yeah, Incognito, Hudson, Osemele, and Brown had all already played at a high level for other teams before they signed with us and Gabe Jackson was a day 1 starter from the Reggie regime. Other than Kolton Miller who else has he really developed for us? Good played pretty well last season but was also a veteran guy that had played for the Colts for a few years before we signed him. And if you're going to praise how well Miller/Good have played you also have to take into account how poorly Simpson/Parker played after being 3rd/4th round picks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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