Boda Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, SemperFeist said: It brings the balance back towards the defense. It’s the only penalty in the game that’s a spot foul, and with as poorly and inconsistently as officials call DPI, it’s become an extra weapon for the offense. There’s absolutely no reason for the offense to have a chance at benefitting from a 20, 30, 40, etc. yard penalty without there being an equivalent for the defense. I strongly disagree. Teams need to teach proper technique and we shouldn't be awarding teams for not doing so & that's exactly what it would be. As already mentioned in here players would just tackle guys that beat them, everytime. It would be a such a disadvantage for the offense and it isn't an extra weapon for the offense if anything it balances out the defenders being able to hit defenders out of bounds and have it not be a catch anymore, one could argue thats a huge advantage already for the defense. Also those who think this wouldn't effect the passing game would be wrong & trying to compare it to the college game is just wrong or is the NFL going to also start stopping the clock on every first down? Edited March 24, 2018 by Boda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 discussions going on about eliminating kickoffs after scoring entirely, and replacing it with the scoring team gets that ball at their own 30 yard line in a 4th and 15 situation. intriguing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klomp Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 1 hour ago, vike daddy said: discussions going on about eliminating kickoffs after scoring entirely, and replacing it with the scoring team gets that ball at their own 30 yard line in a 4th and 15 situation. intriguing... Wait, what? That seems dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 45 minutes ago, Klomp said: Wait, what? That seems dumb. scoring team could punt it back, or if it's late in the game and they need to score again to win, they have a chance at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikesfan89 Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 Isn't that if they want an inside kick? And I thought that was for the new league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klomp Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 That isn't a new idea..... The issue of dumping the kickoff periodically gets mentioned by league executives. It first came up in a 2012 Time profile of Commissioner Roger Goodell, when Goodell mentioned an idea from Buccaneers coach Greg Schiano to give the team that would replace the kickoff with the team that would have been kicking off a fourth-and-15 from its own 30. The team can punt or go for it, either with a scrimmage play (simulating the planned onside kick) or a fake punt (simulating the surprise onside kick). However it plays out, any decision to get rid of the kickoff will require a replacement that gives the team that’s trailing by more than one score a chance to keep possession and eventually tie or win the game. Otherwise, it will be harder for teams to launch comebacks, and the NFL surely won’t want to make any changes that could make its games less competitive and uncertain. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/03/24/will-nfl-eventually-dump-kickoffs/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 The Vikings have proposed an NFL rule change regarding how long the waiver period is on claiming a player during the postseason. The current period is 10 days, and the Vikings want it to be 24 hours. NFL owners will vote on the proposal at meetings next week in Orlando, Fla. The requested change is apparently related to the Vikings losing tight end Kyle Carter after he was waived Jan. 13. The New York Giants claimed Carter by the Jan. 23 deadline, the day after Vikings offensive coordinator Pat Shurmur left to become Giants coach. Had a 24-hour rule been in effect last January, Shurmur would not yet have left the Vikings. Had Carter cleared waivers, Minnesota had interest in re-signing him. https://www.twincities.com/2018/03/23/vikings-free-agent-tom-johnson-signs-with-seattle-jeremiah-sirles-to-carolina/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 Quarterback Drew Stanton didn’t visit Cleveland, but a meeting with Browns brass while they were scouting draft prospects last week was apparently enough to lead to a deal. Agent Mike McCartney announced on Twitter that his client has agreed to a two-year deal with the Browns. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/03/25/drew-stanton-signs-two-year-deal-with-browns/ McCartney's having a good off season... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VikeManDan Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 On 3/25/2018 at 12:07 AM, Klomp said: That isn't a new idea..... The issue of dumping the kickoff periodically gets mentioned by league executives. It first came up in a 2012 Time profile of Commissioner Roger Goodell, when Goodell mentioned an idea from Buccaneers coach Greg Schiano to give the team that would replace the kickoff with the team that would have been kicking off a fourth-and-15 from its own 30. The team can punt or go for it, either with a scrimmage play (simulating the planned onside kick) or a fake punt (simulating the surprise onside kick). However it plays out, any decision to get rid of the kickoff will require a replacement that gives the team that’s trailing by more than one score a chance to keep possession and eventually tie or win the game. Otherwise, it will be harder for teams to launch comebacks, and the NFL surely won’t want to make any changes that could make its games less competitive and uncertain. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/03/24/will-nfl-eventually-dump-kickoffs/ That sounds like a ridiculous idea IMO. Probably get an automatic 1st down on the 4th and 15 due to a PI or illegal contact... There is nothing wrong with the kickoff as it is, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VikeManDan Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 On 3/24/2018 at 5:39 PM, Boda said: It would be a such a disadvantage for the offense and it isn't an extra weapon for the offense 15 yards and a first down is a disadvantage for the offense? Yet the potential for a 70 yard PI isn't an extra weapon for the offense? Interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VikeManDan Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 On 3/24/2018 at 5:39 PM, Boda said: As already mentioned in here players would just tackle guys that beat them, everytime. Yes. This would happen EVERY single time a DB is beat. Give me a break, this doesn't even happen in college. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skywindO2 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 17 minutes ago, VikeManDan said: That sounds like a ridiculous idea IMO. Probably get an automatic 1st down on the 4th and 15 due to a PI or illegal contact... There is nothing wrong with the kickoff as it is, IMO. The idea was originally proposed by Schiano because kickoffs are the most dangerous play in NFL. I'm not sure of the stats on that but it was about player safety. I think it'd be really interesting to see personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klomp Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 41 minutes ago, skywindO2 said: The idea was originally proposed by Schiano because kickoffs are the most dangerous play in NFL. I'm not sure of the stats on that but it was about player safety. I think it'd be really interesting to see personally. They've changed kickoff rules in the name of player safety since then. It's probably a safer play than it was in 2012. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boda Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, VikeManDan said: 15 yards and a first down is a disadvantage for the offense? Yet the potential for a 70 yard PI isn't an extra weapon for the offense? Interesting. How is it an extra weapon? If the defender interferes with a catch than how is not awarding them where the ball SHOULD HAVE BEEN an extra weapon? Edited March 26, 2018 by Boda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boda Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, VikeManDan said: Yes. This would happen EVERY single time a DB is beat. Give me a break, this doesn't even happen in college. Please explain and don't be condescending cause you can take that garbage else where. If you don't think defenses would coach their players to do this than idk what to say because this would instantly become the NFL's version of Hack A Shaq. Edit: I also realize that it wouldn't happen on EVERY play, just any meaningful play where the defender gets beat. This place has gone downhill since I was last around, its like no one is capable of actually having a legitimate discussion without trying to have a pissing contest. Edited March 26, 2018 by Boda 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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