VonKarman Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 2 hours ago, packfanfb said: Post TC Week 2/Family Night Roster Status and Predictions: QB (2): Locks: Rodgers, Love -- pretty easy one here. Hope they can stash Benkert on the PS though, I like the guy. RB (3): Locks: Jones, Dillon; Bubble: Hill, Williams, Taylor - I'm predicting Hill grabs the No. 3 spot, Taylor ends up on PS and Williams goes elsewhere WR (6-7): Locks: Adams, MVS, Lazard, Cobb, Rodgers; Good Bet: Funchess; Bubble: Winfree, Taylor, EQ -- Traditionally the Packers go 5, maybe 6 at WR but this year could be an exception because I don't think Gute wants the Cobb addition to affect his overall plan for who he keeps here. That's why a No. 7 WR is in play and Winfree is currently the guy to watch. TE: (3-4): Locks: Tonyan, Lewis, Deguara; Suspended (won't count on first 53): Sternberger; Bubble: Dafney; Bigger Bubble: Nauta -- I think the Packers likely keep Dafney on the 53 come Week 1 with Sternberger out, at least for a few weeks. Another name to watch: Issac Nauta -- has had an underrated camp including getting snaps with the 1s in the practices I was at. OL: (8-9): Locks: Jenkins, Runyan, Myers, Patrick, Turner, Kelly, Newman; PUP/IR (won't count on first 53) Bakhtiari; Bubble: Braden, Van Lanen; Bigger Bubble: Hanson, Nijman -- I have 7 locks on the OL with Newman being No. 7 because he's a 4th round draft pick. I think the Packers start the season with 8 or 9 so Braden and Van Lanen could both make it or might be fighting for that last spot. Hanson and Nijman on the outside looking in. My realistic hope for Bakh is that the Packers activate him off PUP (so he doesn't have to sit out 6 games), but then probably IR him, meaning he'll be out the first 3 games at a minimum. That would put him around the 10-month mark for a return in October. Total Offense: 22-25 players (More moves needed once Sternberger/Bakhtiari come back) DL: (5) Locks: Clark, Lowry, Keke; Good Bet: Lancaster, Slaton -- Pretty simple here, I don't even see any real bubble players on the roster. Of course, this could change if the Packers dip into the DL market before the season and add a vet. EDGE (4-5): Locks: Z. Smith, P. Smith, Gary; Bubble: Garvin, Galeai; Bigger Bubble: D. Scott -- Ramsey will go no IR so he's out of the discussion. After the big 3, our depth is pretty poor here so perhaps the Packers only go with 4 EDGE guys and let Garvin/Galeai fight out that last spot or maybe they keep them both. I could see the Packers make a waiver claim for a No. 4-5 EDGE guy as well, but neither Garvin nor Galeai have done much to claim that spot. ILB (4-5): Locks: Campbell, Barnes; Good Bets: Martin, Summers; Bubble: Burks -- Campbell and Barnes are the starters. The Packers are not (and should not) give up on Martin despite him struggling this camp and right now Summers is probably the top back-up and a good STer. If the Packers go with 5 (they did last year), Burks makes it based on ST ability. CB: (6-7): Locks: Alexander, King, Sullivan, Stokes; Good Bet: Jackson; Bubble: Jean-Charles, Ento, Hollman, Samuels -- Four locks here and Jackson is a good bet based on him having a decent camp thus far. That leaves probably 1-2 spots left between four guys. Right now, I'd put my money on Jean-Charles (draft pick) and Ento being those guys. S: (4-5): Locks: Amos, Savage; Good Bets: Black, Scott; Bubble: Redmond; Bigger Bubble: Gaines - Black and Scott are virtually locks given what I've seen in practice (both are running with the 1s in certain packages). Redmond is a good STer and veteran which could keep him around once he returns from injury. A sleeper is Innis Gaines who has been very active at camp thus far and offers some S/CB hybrid ability. Total Defense: 23-27 players Total Specialists: 3 players (Crosby, J. Scott and Bradley) First 53 Prediction: Offense: Total 24 players QB: Rodgers, Love (2) RB: Jones, Dillon, Hill (3) WR: Adams, MVS, Lazard, Cobb, Rodgers, Funchess (6) TE: Tonyan, Lewis, Deguara, Dafney (4) OL: Jenkins, Runyan, Myers, Patrick, Turner, Kelly, Newman, Braden, Van Lanen (9) Defense: Total 26 players DL: Clark, Lowry, Keke, Lancaster, Slaton (5) EDGE: Z. Smith, P. Smith, Gary, Garvin (4) ILB: Campbell, Barnes, Summers, Martin, Burks (5) CB: Alexander, King, Sullivan, Stokes, Jackson, Jean-Charles, Ento (7) S: Amos, Savage, Black, Scott, Redmond (5) Specials: Crosby, Scott, Bradley (3) Bakhtiari is not going to be in the PUP list. I don't know about IR, will they mantain last year's rules? I feel like he's gonna make the Top 53. I don't think Patrick is a lock either. I think Braden will make it. SJC and Martin are locks for me in defense. I feel like Lancaster is not gonna make it. Otherwise I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 Thanks tons for the list, packfan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, packfanfb said: .QB (2): RB (3): WR (6) TE: (3): OL: (8): Total Offense: 22. Total Defense: 23 players. Total Specialists: 3 DL: (5) EDGE (4): ILB (4): CB: (6): S: (4): Pack, I found your listing really helpful. Here I took your lower number at each group. Gives 22/23 offense/defense, and leaves 5 discretionary/bubble spots. Those 5 can be divvied up between: 1) ST-priority guys, 2) redshirt guys, and 3) injuries insurance for this year. Any of the RB, TE, WR, LB, edge, secondary guys, I'd assume if they are a redshirt priority they could also get trained and ST-incorporated. A guy like VanLanen, ST probably won't need. So seems to me lots of flexibility for Gute/MLF to keep redshirts that they'd like, or ST priorities that they'd need. Edited August 8, 2021 by craig 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brat&Beer Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 QB: (2) Rodgers, Love WR (6) Adams, MVS, Lazard, Cobb, Rodgers, Taylor RB (3) Jones, Dillon, Hill TE (4) Deguara, Lewis, Tonyan, Dafney OL (10) Braden, Jenkins, Patrick, Runyan, Turner, Myers, Kelly, Newman, Bakhtiari, Van Lanen DL (5) Clark, Lancaster, Lowry, Slaton, Keke ILB (4) Barnes, Campbell, Martin, Summers OLB(5) Garvin, Gary, P. Smith, Z Smith, Gilaei CB (6) Alexander, Jackson, Jean Charles, Stokes, Sullivan, King S (5) Amos, Savage, Scott, Uphoff, Black ST (3) Crosby, Bradley, Scott IR: Ramsey Suspended: Sternberger Practice squad: Jake Hanson, Kabian Ento, Stanford Samuels, Willington Previlon, Jacob Capra, Oren Burks, Chauncey Rivers, Delontae Scott, Ray Wilborn, Kurt Benkert, Patrick Taylor, Dexter Williams, Innis Gaines, Bronson Kaufusi, Isaac Nauta, Juwann Winfree, Deandre Thompkins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 QB: (2) Rodgers, Love WR (6) Adams, MVS, Lazard, Cobb, Rodgers, Funch. (Taylor) RB (3) Jones, Dillon, Hill TE (4) Deguara, Lewis, Tonyan, Dafney (Sternberger) OL (9->8) Jenkins, Patrick, Runyan, Turner, Myers, Kelly, Newman, Braden, Bakhtiari (Bakhti immediately to IR once the initial roster is announced and the waiver period happens) DL (5) Clark, Lowry, Keke, Lancaster, Slaton ILB (5) Barnes, Campbell, Martin, Summers, Burks OLB(4) Garvin, Gary, P. Smith, Z Smith CB (6) Alexander, King, Sullivan, Stokes, Ento, Jean Charles S (6) Amos, Savage, Scott, Black, Redmond, Innis Gaines ST (3) Crosby, Bradley, Scott IR: Ramsey Suspended: Sternberger Here's another guess. Some bubble guys or questions: I'm guessing Bakhti will make the initial roster, then after the overnight waiver exposure will then get popped onto IR, opening an additional spot. Some bubblers that I includes were all four of Scott, Black, Redmond and Gaines; and both Burks and Summers; Bubbles that I kept off (prior to the Bakhti IR), include 4th RB; Malik; Wilborn; an extra OL; 5th OLB Galea; and Yiadom. There's still time for injuries, and at least one of those guys will probably make the roster somehow anyway, even before Bakhti goes IR or somebody else goes IR. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 On 8/8/2021 at 12:43 PM, VonKarman said: Bakhtiari is not going to be in the PUP list. I don't know about IR, will they mantain last year's rules? I feel like he's gonna make the Top 53. I don't think Patrick is a lock either. I think Braden will make it. SJC and Martin are locks for me in defense. I feel like Lancaster is not gonna make it. Otherwise I agree. Bakhtiari only goes on the PUP list if you think he's not gonna be ready for a few weeks. The problem is if you place someone on the PUP list, they aren't eligible to play until Week 7. IR rules remain in place from last year, but you have to be added to the 53 man roster if you want to put a player on the IR with the intention of having them come off the IR during the regular season. Lucas Patrick is a virtual lock to make the roster unless he's traded simply for positional versatility. Lancaster probably makes it from a pure numbers' standpoint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 QB: Rodgers / Love [2/2] RB: Jones / Dillon / Hill [3/5] WR: Adams / Lazard / MVS / Cobb / Funchess / Rodgers [6/11] TE: Tonyan / Lewis / Deguara / Dafney [4/15] OL: Jenkins / Patrick / Myers / Runyan / Turner / Newman / Braden / Kelly / Njiman [9/24] DL: Clark / Lowry / Lancaster / Keke / Slaton [5/29] ILB: Campbell / Barnes / Burks / Summers / Martin [5/34] OLB: Smith / Smith / Gary / Garvin / Rivers [5/39] CB: Alexander / King / Stokes / SJC / Sullivan / Ento [6/45] S: Amos / Savage / Scott / Black [5/50] ST: Crosby / Scott / Bradley [3/53] SUSP: Jace Sternberger PUP: David Bakhtiari 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReadyToThump Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 6 hours ago, CWood21 said: QB: Rodgers / Love [2/2] RB: Jones / Dillon / Hill [3/5] WR: Adams / Lazard / MVS / Cobb / Funchess / Rodgers [6/11] TE: Tonyan / Lewis / Deguara / Dafney [4/15] OL: Jenkins / Patrick / Myers / Runyan / Turner / Newman / Braden / Kelly / Njiman [9/24] DL: Clark / Lowry / Lancaster / Keke / Slaton [5/29] ILB: Campbell / Barnes / Burks / Summers / Martin [5/34] OLB: Smith / Smith / Gary / Garvin / Rivers [5/39] CB: Alexander / King / Stokes / SJC / Sullivan / Ento [6/45] S: Amos / Savage / Scott / Black [5/50] ST: Crosby / Scott / Bradley [3/53] SUSP: Jace Sternberger PUP: David Bakhtiari Rivers? Gimme Gaines or get Uphoff me bro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Guy Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 6 hours ago, CWood21 said: Bakhtiari only goes on the PUP list if you think he's not gonna be ready for a few weeks. The problem is if you place someone on the PUP list, they aren't eligible to play until Week 7. IR rules remain in place from last year, but you have to be added to the 53 man roster if you want to put a player on the IR with the intention of having them come off the IR during the regular season. Lucas Patrick is a virtual lock to make the roster unless he's traded simply for positional versatility. Lancaster probably makes it from a pure numbers' standpoint. NFL will retain modified IR rules, allowing unlimited players to return - ProFootballTalk (nbcsports.com) @CWood21 If Bak is on the active roster on September 1 and then put on PUP he can return to practice after week 3. He would be eligible to return anytime after that and must be activated within 21 days, according to this article. I'd say it's likely he's not going to be ready for at least 3 games given his injury was only 8 months ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Old Guy said: NFL will retain modified IR rules, allowing unlimited players to return - ProFootballTalk (nbcsports.com) @CWood21 If Bak is on the active roster on September 1 and then put on PUP he can return to practice after week 3. He would be eligible to return anytime after that and must be activated within 21 days, according to this article. I'd say it's likely he's not going to be ready for at least 3 games given his injury was only 8 months ago. As it mentioned in the article, that player has to be included in the 53 man roster in order to be eligible to come off of the IR after 3 weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 (edited) Just to review PUP vs IR, it's a difference of 2 things. How quickly you can bring him back, IR after 3 weeks minimum, PUP after 6 weeks minimum. Waivers exposure for 54th man. If you PUP Bakhti, 54th man takes his roster spot and becomes 53rd man with no waivers exposure. If you place Bakhti on the roster, and IR him subsequently, then 54th man is exposed to waivers. Which path the Packers take, I can't guess, pros and cons either way. Maybe PUP, to both protect the 54th man, but also to protect Bakhti and the organization from trying to rush him back too early? Maybe IR, because we're all-in for this season, and the consequences of exposing the 54th man may be insignificant? He probably won't be claimed anyway; and some 54th-man ST guy probably won't have that much WAR for either this year or the future over the next ST guy who replaces him. I have no idea who that 54th-man ST guy might be, but if it's Patrick Taylor or Innis Gaines or Henry Black or Redmond or Tipa Galeai or Ray Wilborn or Christian Uphoff, etc., how likely is it that losing that guy will significantly change this season or the future? Not impossible, maybe Gaines or Uphoff or Wilborn or Galeai are going to develop into effective rotation guys. But not very likely. And yeah, *IF* the Packers scouting think the likelihood is significant, than maybe that guy shouldn't be 54th man anyway, and should be in the top 52 Bakhti or not... Edited August 20, 2021 by craig 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 Other observation is that this doesn't seem like that scary of a cut-down deal. I'm a super optimist, and a D+D lover. Part of the fun for me is having depth/bubble guys develop into useful contributors. I just love the Sam Shields, Tramon, Lane Taylor, Chandon Sullivan, and Tonyan type stories. Other than Shields who emerged almost immediately, all of those other guys took a couple of years to become contributors. Those success stories are frequent enough in the NFL that it's not just 5th-grade-optimism to hope for successes like that. Ento, Uphoff, Innis, Wilborn, Winfree, any one of those guys might become an important rotation player from scrimmage on future playoff teams, it's not implausible whatsoever. Hoping is fun. But, *if* you think Bakhti is ready after 3-4 weeks, I think you've got to be willing to expose a 54th man to get an extra couple of games from Bakhti. With Rodgers and all of the backloaded contract caps, obviously this is an all-in year. If I've got to expose one of my UDFA prospects to waivers, I'd not hesitate to do it. Plus every other team in the league has it's cloud of UDFA prospects with possibilities themselves. So not sure anybody else wants to waive their 53rd man with his possibilities, in order to get our 54th man. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
15412 Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 20 minutes ago, craig said: Other observation is that this doesn't seem like that scary of a cut-down deal. I'm a super optimist, and a D+D lover. Part of the fun for me is having depth/bubble guys develop into useful contributors. I just love the Sam Shields, Tramon, Lane Taylor, Chandon Sullivan, and Tonyan type stories. Other than Shields who emerged almost immediately, all of those other guys took a couple of years to become contributors. Those success stories are frequent enough in the NFL that it's not just 5th-grade-optimism to hope for successes like that. Ento, Uphoff, Innis, Wilborn, Winfree, any one of those guys might become an important rotation player from scrimmage on future playoff teams, it's not implausible whatsoever. Hoping is fun. But, *if* you think Bakhti is ready after 3-4 weeks, I think you've got to be willing to expose a 54th man to get an extra couple of games from Bakhti. With Rodgers and all of the backloaded contract caps, obviously this is an all-in year. If I've got to expose one of my UDFA prospects to waivers, I'd not hesitate to do it. Plus every other team in the league has it's cloud of UDFA prospects with possibilities themselves. So not sure anybody else wants to waive their 53rd man with his possibilities, in order to get our 54th man. Good thoughts. If the Packers are ever going to stretch with the PUP list for anyone it will be for a player like Bak in the hopes he is ready in 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 10 hours ago, CWood21 said: QB: Rodgers / Love [2/2] RB: Jones / Dillon / Hill [3/5] WR: Adams / Lazard / MVS / Cobb / Funchess / Rodgers [6/11] TE: Tonyan / Lewis / Deguara / Dafney [4/15] OL: Jenkins / Patrick / Myers / Runyan / Turner / Newman / Braden / Kelly / Njiman [9/24] DL: Clark / Lowry / Lancaster / Keke / Slaton [5/29] ILB: Campbell / Barnes / Burks / Summers / Martin [5/34] OLB: Smith / Smith / Gary / Garvin / Rivers [5/39] CB: Alexander / King / Stokes / SJC / Sullivan / Ento [6/45] S: Amos / Savage / Scott / Black [5/50] ST: Crosby / Scott / Bradley [3/53] SUSP: Jace Sternberger PUP: David Bakhtiari You're missing a safety. Redmond or Gaines? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonKarman Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 Bakhtiari will probably be ready for game 2-3 at the latest. I'm pretty confisent he'll make the 53 and not enter IR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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