NoDakViking Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 30 minutes ago, SemperFeist said: The good news for the Vikings is that this is looking like a fairly deep draft for defense. I could see top 3 rounds all being Defense. CB, LB, DL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 8 minutes ago, NoDakViking said: I could see top 3 rounds all being Defense. CB, LB, DL Yep. Another 2015-esque haul would be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NoDakViking Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Quick 2022 mock with no trades 10. Andrew Booth Jr. CB, 38. Nakobe Dean LB, 69. Verone McKinley III S, 171. Boye Mafe EDGE, 181. Charlie Kolar TE, 185. Jarrett Patterson IOL, 194. Mike Rose LB, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purplexing Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Captain Obvious Draft Plan: 1st - 3rd rounds: no trade downs by Ten Pick Rick, draft DL, LB, DB, one each, in the order of greatest value. Next pick: IOL Captain Novel Draft Plan: Next pick: K. Do it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingsrule Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 On 12/7/2021 at 7:31 AM, SemperFeist said: Yep. Another 2015-esque haul would be great. Sad we have to reference a draft from 6 years ago as the last time we actually drafted some legit defensive talent. Thanks Spielman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, vikingsrule said: Sad we have to reference a draft from 6 years ago as the last time we actually drafted some legit defensive talent. Thanks Spielman. I put the blame far more on Zimmer and his coaches than on Spielman. Edited December 10, 2021 by SemperFeist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingsrule Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 14 minutes ago, SemperFeist said: I put the blame far more on Zimmer and his coaches than on Spielman. There’s plenty to go around. Spielman’s draft record since that 2015 draft shouldn’t be ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 10 minutes ago, vikingsrule said: There’s plenty to go around. Spielman’s draft record since that 2015 draft shouldn’t be ignored. But why is it “Spielman’s draft record”? Why does the GM take the credit or blame for the finished product of a draft pick, when draft picks are anything but finished products? The GM isn’t out their coaching players. The GM isn’t out their teaching the playbook. The GM isn’t out there working on fundamentals. In fact, after that congratulatory phone call, the only real interaction with the players that the GM has is the day they sign their contract. Development is a coaching and player issue far, far before it’s a GM issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingsrule Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Just now, SemperFeist said: But why is it “Spielman’s draft record”? Why does the GM take the credit or blame for the finished product of a draft pick, when draft picks are anything but finished products? The GM isn’t out their coaching players. The GM isn’t out their teaching the playbook. The GM isn’t out there working on fundamentals. In fact, after that congratulatory phone call, the only real interaction with the players that the GM has is the day they sign their contract. Development is a coaching and player issue far, far before it’s a GM issue. How many vets have we signed on defense to one year deals just to fill spots due to talent voids? Griffen, Richardson, Vigil, Peterson, Breeland, Woods. That’s about half the starters on defense. That’s not a coaching issue. That’s a talent issue. Of course the defense is going to struggle when half your starting group is players you didn’t draft and develop. Missing on first round picks in 2016, 2017, 2018, and 2019 has set this defense back. Gladney was a throw away pick. Jefferson is obviously a stud and Darrisaw might be too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, vikingsrule said: That’s not a coaching issue. It is a coaching issue. It’s the coaches who have failed to develop the talent. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingsrule Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 (edited) 54 minutes ago, SemperFeist said: It is a coaching issue. It’s the coaches who have failed to develop the talent. But there is no talent to develop. 2016 first was Treadwell. 2017 first was Bradford. 2018 first was Hughes. 2019 first was Bradbury. So 3 offensive players and one injury prone defensive player. I’m focused on first round picks here because you’ve really got to hit on most of them in today’s cap era. Waynes and Rhodes were replaced by Peterson and Breeland, both older developed players past their prime. Prime Griffen was replaced by past his prime Griffen. Joseph was replaced by a player who hasn’t been able to play for a number of reasons. Hunter has been absent due to injury, can’t chalk that up to coaching. Same goes for Barr. What early to mid round investments should Zimmer have coached up to be better? Dantzler, Wonnum? Talent pool is lacking, severely. Edited December 10, 2021 by vikingsrule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikesfan89 Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 52 minutes ago, SemperFeist said: It is a coaching issue. It’s the coaches who have failed to develop the talent. Couldn't his hits also be attributed to coaching then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perrynoid Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 58 minutes ago, SemperFeist said: It is a coaching issue. It’s the coaches who have failed to develop the talent. If this is the case, don't Spielman's drafting tendencies tend to hurt the team? What I mean is, he tends to draft raw, high-upside athletic players. If he is expecting the coaching staff to develop these players, isn't he engaging in the wrong methodology? This drafting strategy has worked out well on the DL but not so well on the OL due to the quality of the coaching staff for those positions. Maybe he should draft players with the coaching staffs abilities in mind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 45 minutes ago, vikingsrule said: But there is no talent to develop. 2016 first was Treadwell. 2017 first was Bradford. 2018 first was Hughes. 2019 first was Bradbury. So 3 offensive players and one injury prone defensive player. I’m focused on first round picks here because you’ve really got to hit on most of them in today’s cap era. So you’re saying that none of these players had talent coming out of college? Every one of them was talentless and that everyone one who had 1st/2nd round grades on them was unfathomably wrong? Calling total BS on that. 46 minutes ago, vikingsrule said: What early to mid round investments should Zimmer have coached up to be better? Dantzler, Wonnum? Talent pool is lacking, severely. All of them. That’s his job. That’s the job of his coaches. You’re really going to try and sit there and say with a straight face that none of these players possessed traits or talent coming out of college? That all of them were talentless hacks that never should have been drafted? Again, total BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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